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Let's compare our countries

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by ernest, Sep 1, 2004.

  1. ernest

    ernest Senior member

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    In France most popular, famous brands, brands EVERYBODY (the biggest part of people) will quote as among the best, are : (for men) Armani Cerruti Boss Versace Kenzo (for shoes also..&#33[​IMG] Weston Cardin Nothing about : Keaton, Oxxford, Barbera... (I discovered here) Green, Grenson (discovered here) Aubercy (discovered on the web) H&K, H&H (discovered in London) Charvet (I realize how nice this brand was buy reading here&#33[​IMG] Arny's (discovered on the web) And what are the most popular brands in your country?
     
  2. Mike C.

    Mike C. Senior member

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    Armani, Gucci, Prada, and Versace. 90% of the population knows nothing beyond these brands in terms of high-fashion or fine tailoring.

    Sadly some people think that Kenneth Cole is the height of fashion and a "designer" label.
     
  3. rsp1

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    As a 25 year old American (pointed out purely for demographic reasons), before I moved to NYC, the brand names I targeted were Kenneth Cole, DKNY and Banana Republic. Huge Boss, Prada, Thomas Pink and Armani were labels we (my friends and I) aspired to. Fortunately, it didn't take long to come to my senses.

    To this day, most of the people I work with would prefer a Thomas Pink shirt to a H&K one (if given the option as a gift) because Thomas Pink .... is ..... just .... so .... cool (and H&K has no marketing).
     
  4. marc37

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    l attend alot of Australian fashion shows; sadly all the clothing is very ordinary quality. People rave about Wayne Cooper, Pierre Cardin (a disgrace), Gwyndoline, Boss, Studio italia, Roy, versace, armani, mooks etc. The fashion crowd wouldn't know quality it it slapped them upside of the head. They are a tryhard pathetic group of people: very ego-tistical. People rave about Cardin suits but they are so poorly fitting. Very few people know what Borrelli or Brioni is. Collette Dinagin is our top designer, she is brilliant and world class. SHOES Florsheim, Rivers, Windsor Smith, Lloyds and Aquila are the most popular dress shoes (all glued soled shoes that last 5 minutes). Loake is reserved for lawyers. Not many have Loake; it's one of the best shoes you will see on aussie footpaths. (The best shoes l have seen on aussie footpaths are my own). Our top shoes are: artioli, C&J, church's, Grenson regular, borrelli, santoni, stefano Bi, and handmade shoes. We also have magli, moreshci and aldo brue. (l hardly ever see these shoes on the street). R.M.Williams is becoming really popular.
     
  5. Styleman

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    London (most popular for young men these days):

    G&H
    Dior Homme
    Gucci
    Duffer
    Versace
    Pink
    Hacket
    Moschino
    D&G

    Middle Age:

    Zegna
    Armani
    Boss
    Fendi
    Brioni
    H&H

    Old (50+):

    G&H
    Versace
    Hermes


    Shoes:

    Young:

    Prada Sport
    Cesare Paciotti
    Gucci
    Camper
    Birkenstocks
    Dior Homme
    Puma

    Middle Aged:

    Gucci
    Cesare Paciotti
    Salvatore Ferragamo
    Rocco P.
    Sergio Rossi
    Oliver Sweeny
    Tim Little
    Russel and Bromley


    Old :

    Lobb
    Berluti
    Crockett and Jones
    Barker
    Royal Windsor Grenson
    Cleverly
    New and Lingwood
    Church's
     
  6. Alias

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    There isn't much in the way of style in Korea that no one else has done better, honestly.

    I mean, you have the domestic companies turning out some nice suits and all, but they run towards the sack side of the spectrum.

    As for casual wear, think your basic Asian street-pop stuff, but more conservative: we don't get the micro-minis here like Japan does.

    And shoes? Let's not get into those. The vast majority of people here don't care for shoe horns, instead ruining the backs of their shoes by repeated squashing and stomping on them.

    In other words, it's just like any other country, I guess.
     
  7. ernest

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    You did a good job in Athena.....
     
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    Come on guys.... What people like in your country?[​IMG]
     
  9. Styleman

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    Guy = French name, no? Guys = Perhaps plural (For others, you will have to read the Boss Suits thread to understand) Just kidding.
     
  10. Brian SD

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    I'm a college student, so I'm mostly talking about college students here. I have no idea what fashion is like in the business / professional field.

    Guys like:

    Lacoste
    Seven for All Mankind
    Von Dutch
    Abercrombie & Fitch
    FCUK
    Kenneth Cole

    Shoes:
    Diesel
    Diesel
    Diesel
    Diesel
    Kenneth Cole
    Diesel
     
  11. Macciavelli

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    In the small towns and the countryside the quality of clothing is not very elegant or fashionable.

    In bigger cities like Hamburg, Berlin, Munich, Frankfurt a. M. most of the people tend to dress very elegant regarding to their family background and the regional influences (you might find a Janker in Munich very often (sometimes as part of a dress for a formal occassion), in Hamburg you will find the single brested or Navy blazer as a dress for nearly every occassion (with cinos, flannels, jeans etc.)

    The shoes or often of bad quality and not many men wear goodyear welted shoes. The average german men wear LLoyds shoes and BOSS suits for business.

    People in Hamburg (businessmen) tend to give more attention to their shoes. I often see John Lobbs, C & J, van Bommel, Santoni, Hermes etc. on their feet.

    Sadly I have to say that in most areas Germany is a country which could be more elegant, more fahionable...
     
  12. ernest

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    In France, German have reputation to dress like peasants.

    And it is true that german tourists are easy to reconize in Paris =
    sandals with socks (often white cheap for sport),
    t shirts with no sleeves or flower/ou of fashion shirts with no sleeves
    bermuda shorts

    But german garments seem to be very strong.

    You best brands seem to be Adidas and Puma.
     
  13. LabelKing

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    Don't forgot Hugo Boss.

    Jil Sander while of German origin is linked more with Italy. Especially with Prada's acquisition. There is also Strenesse.
     
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    In France, German have reputation to dress like peasants. And it is true that german tourists are easy to reconize in Paris = sandals with socks (often white cheap for sport), t shirts with no sleeves or flower/ou of fashion shirts with no sleeves bermuda shorts But german garments seem to be very strong. You best brands seem to be Adidas and Puma.
    Don't forgot Hugo Boss. Jil Sander while of German origin is linked more with Italy. Especially with Prada's acquisition. There is also Strenesse.
    These brands are unknown in France. Boss is a trap for poor teenagers dreaming to dress like guy from upper classes. Puma or Adidas are references. Not Boss.
     
  15. rws

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    Whatever we might think of German militarism from a political or humane standpoint, the influence of German uniforms on other lands from early in the nineteenth century has been strong, and not only on the military uniforms of foreign nations (my own country, the United States, still uses dress and undress uniforms originally inspired by German models). And the comfortable middle classes a century ago, whether in Berlin or other cities or even in the countryside, displayed a care and balance in their dress that were equal to what one would have seen in England or America.

    Germans clearly have as much innate sartorial sense as any other nation. Perhaps it will in future be more thoughtfully applied.
     
  16. ernest

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    As Albania or Island, no doubt.

    May I ask you to tell me german brands' name making garments at level of style & quality of :

    For France : Dior, Lanvin, YSL, Montana, Rykiel, Gaultier, Vuitton, Hermes, Arny's, Charvet, Corthey...
    For Uk : Dunhill, Lobb, Green, C&J, Hacket, H&H, T&A, Burberry...
    For Italia : Kiton, Cerruti, Armani, Zegna, Brioni, Barbera...

    Give me just 3 names, one for suit, one for shoes and one for leather goods.
     
  17. drizzt3117

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    In my experience with Germany and Austria, there are a higher concentration of RTW/MTM/Bespoke from local tailor shops than other brands, I don't think any particular brand is too dominant when it comes to higher end stuff, although I think at least for business, they tend to be more conservative.
     
  18. T4phage

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    For shoes, Bengal Stripe can give a more definitive answer, but I believe there is Kukelkorn(sp?), Dinkelaker(sp?).  For small leather goods, I find Goldpfeil quite nice (for bespoke leather goods, N.Janda is superb but oh so expensive), and for suits: Kinze (I know I know they are Austrian, but close enough niet wahr?)

    edit: the shoe brands may not be to everyone's tastes, but from what I recall, the craftsmanship was top notch.
     
  19. LabelKing

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    (LabelKing @ 03 Sep. 2004, 9:15) Quote In France, German have reputation to dress like peasants. And it is true that german tourists are easy to reconize in Paris = sandals with socks (often white cheap for sport), t shirts with no sleeves or flower/ou of fashion shirts with no sleeves bermuda shorts But german garments seem to be very strong. You best brands seem to be Adidas and Puma.
    Don't forgot Hugo Boss. Jil Sander while of German origin is linked more with Italy. Especially with Prada's acquisition. There is also Strenesse.
    These brands are unknown in France. Boss is a trap for poor teenagers dreaming to dress like guy from upper classes. Puma or Adidas are references. Not Boss.[/quote] Jil Sander is a very famous brand. I can't imagine that the French do not know of it. I can imagine Strenesse not many people knowing.
     
  20. LA Guy

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    Clothing (designer): Jil Sander; one of the most influential of the minimalist designers in the 90's; before being bought by Prada, her label was known for simple, perfect cuts in the finest materials (her background was in textiles, after all) with impeccable craftsmanship. Much more influential than *any* French designer in the 90's (nearly all the French houses were floundering compared to the Italians, Brits, and Belgians - and the ew blood in France came in the form of Japanese imports,) expecially in menswear, until Hedi Slimane hit the scene at YSL. Note that LV was revitalized by an American (Marc Jacobs).

    Clothing (tailored): Knize, Austrian, but Germanic in spirit. And there are numerous leser known tailoring houses in Germany.

    Shoes: Ludwig Reiter - not everyone's cup of tea, but definitely up there with the best.

    I'm not a leather goods expert, so I won't comment one that.

    Yes, the average German guy dresses horribly (the billowing shirt tucked into tight black jeans and anchored by chunky black shoes comes immediately to mind), but that doesn't mean that there are no good German brands. Not at all.
     

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