Fuuma alludes to my point above, but more specifically, while few religions are new, the ability to worship is not exclusive to those praying only to God. What is going on in this country now is pretty good proof of that. We now worship our own supposed ability to perfect man, and to engineer him into a more perfect beast, against all evidence to the contrary. It is our new fatal conceit, and no more ridiculous, or more wrapped up in myth, than are most religions. My point is that if you want subculture X to become more rational and less religious through an organic process, you really have to wait for them to do it. What you want is for another group in the same society to change something from outside in order to prod them on your way. I am not saying that your goal is bad in any way, just that it really isn't an organic process, it is a managed one. I don't think that you're understanding me. I have no agenda or goal of specifically making society less religious. My priorities as a voter and as a person are to simply have a more educated, cultured, and healthier population. None of my ideals have anything to do with a political usurpation of religion. I don't think that's possible, as I've said. Again, I will say that if the United States can build a stronger middle class and have better schools, I think it's quite likely that we'd have far less religious people. It's a different mode of thought than what I think your idea of my concept is. I'm not proposing a method, I'm suggesting a likely effect of a vastly improved education system and economy.