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Lenovo thread

Discussion in 'Fine Living, Home, Design & Auto' started by indesertum, May 14, 2011.

  1. indesertum

    indesertum Senior member

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    I know we've had information here and there, but I thought it might be nice if we had a thread

    I was going to buy and x201 during the black friday sales thanks to gqgeek, but i decided to wait for sandybridge and after a 3 week wait finally got my x220.

    I'm going to write a mini review in the next post.

    pretty excited for this company as they have a few new exciting products coming out like the X1 (macbook air competitor) and the Le pad (it's a hybrid computer where the screen is actually a tablet computer you can remove)

    anybody else own lenovo products?
     
  2. indesertum

    indesertum Senior member

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    It got plenty of reviews, and a few editor's choices, from tech blogs online (here, here, here, here, here) but not a lot from a real user so here's my experience

    Screen

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    Full Brightness

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    Half brightness

    Full brightness is crazy bright. Any kind of indoor situation and it's much nicer on your eyes for it to be at half or a little higher than high brightness. Very little glare. Outside at full brightness screen is wonderful.

    Watched Bones on Hulu at HD (720p) and wow. Fell in love with the screen. It's a $30 upgrade (at least when I got it) to an IPS screen and it's well worth it. Ppl complained a lot about 1366x788 (16:9 ratio, not 16:10 which most people prefer), but tbh not a big deal. I feel like I have a lot of real estate.

    Pros

    Keyboard
    Wow. This thing is a real joy to use. I've owned a few laptops over the years and used several other people's laptops, but I've never used a keyboard that made me want to write something (partly why I'm writing this). Full size keyboard, the tactile feel is amazing, wish the Fn and Ctrl keys were swapped (and wish the pgup pgdn were with the directional keys), but no biggie. I can change them in the settings. Keyboard is making me not want to another brand again

    portability
    very light. almost as light as my netbook. i believe under 4 lb. another really nice aspect is that the ac adaptor is quite small and light and not annoying at all to carry around battery life on this thing is amazing. i've been using it since 5 or so (it's now almost 1). I've watched a few hulu videos on it, web browsing, downloaded a few programs, a windows 7 pro ISO, and I'm still at half battery life. Screen was at 70, 80% brightness. It's rated for 13, 14 hours for light web browsing at half brightness. With the slice battery it's rated for 23 hours. wish i bought the slice battery. it's currently retailing for 220 something. with discounts if i had bought it with the laptop i could've gotten it at 130 something. still dont think i really need it, but no doubt it would be nice.

    Other pros
    Sata III interface is nice, but the fact is the HD bay is only 7mm tall and very few drives support this (micron m4 for SSDs, Hitachi's travelstar for HDDs). SATA III is the new generation hard drive interface where the theoretical potential for transfer speeds can be up to 6gbps, twice that of the previous generation. HDDs come nowhere near this, but for SSDs this is a bottleneck. the better feature imo is the availability of mSATA drives (mini SSDs) that fit in the WWAN/expresscard slot. current generation mSATA drives dont have SATA III and are only as fast as previous generation SSDs, but still blazing fast and the fact that you can combine an mSATA SSD and a HDD in one computer is just awesome. However Intel 310 (only major company mSATSA available, read: not chinese OEM) are all sold out. at 180 for 80gb a must buy. I've yet to install it, but I've seen real life videos at the lenovo booth with a x220 using an ssd with uefi instead of bios and the computer boots up in 10 seconds. i get like 40s to a minute with a 7200rpm HDD. also thinkpad indestructibility is pretty famous. magnesium roll cage, spill proof keyboard, US milspec testing, all that good stuff. price is also extremely good. got it for 950 or so (i5-2540, 2gb ram, intel 6205, 320gb 7200rpm hdd, 9 cell battery, IPS screen). spent 80 to upgrade it to 8gb ram. Considering previous generations went for around 2k, this is an excellent price.

    Service
    Laptopmag rates Lenovo's service and warranty as second best next to apple. My camera had some frostiness inside of the clear plastic lens cover and I called customer service. Got on the phone right away and got an honest to god amurrikan. Got a one day shipping box for UPS the next morning. Shipped it out. A week later got my laptop back. I also told them about about CPU overheating and now it doesnt overheat at all. Temperature without intel turbo boost stays below 54 degrees at all times. With turbo it can get up to an uncomfortable 90 degrees, which is low enough and achieved without my zalman cooler.

    http://www.laptopmag.com/mobile-life/rating-carrier-customer-service.aspx?page=7


    Cons

    Bugginess?
    Wireless was super slow when first opened. Apparently has outdated drivers. Easy fix through the Lenovo Device Experience which leads you almost right to driver updates.

    Trackpad/navpoint
    trackpad kinda is a bummer. almost the size of my netbook trackpad (ie small). the integrated buttons sounds nice in idea, but the experience hasnt been smooth. the right click sometimes doesnt work properly (maybe i click too far to the left). the multi touch scrolling just plain sucks especially compared to apple. vertical scrolling just does not work smoothly. one finger horizontal scrolling works better. one finger vertical is non existent. i just use the pgup pgdn keys. the trackpad itself is ribbed (for your pleasure, har har har), but i think i actually prefer smooth. I cant help but feeling that if they moved the three keys for the navpoint button to beneath the trackpad, and gave us a non clickable trackpad, the experience would be much improved. blasphemy i know, but i dont see the point of having 5 buttons, 3 for the navpoint, 2 for the trackpad. i actually find myself using the trackpad keys as the navpoint keys. i would not mind just the navpoint either.

    fan
    It was behaving a little oddly until i installed tpfancontrol. still not sure how to work this thing, but fan's quieter now and cpu is always under 70

    case
    bought a case advertised on the site to be for specifically 12 in laptops. it doesnt fit. there's like an extra two inches of space on top even with the 9 cell battery that sticks out. going to see if i can return it.


    overall, really like the laptop. keyboard, screen, portability really makes up for everything else which i feel like were pretty minor and overcomeable critiques. i think it's perfect for traveling professionals and students. if i've convinced you to buy one the one tip i would give is that there are frequent discounts (10 to 15%) on top of the shareholder purchase program you can sign up for and use for free. there's also a student site, a government employee site (i think), employee friends and family site, and a visa member site that all offer a 5 to 10% discount from the official retail price and all of which except for the EFF site require nothing but an email address to sign up and use but buy ram, HDD, and SDD from 3rd parties as lenovo has a huge markup.

    edit: added a section on service and edited so that the text wasnt a block anymore (from the forum upgrade). still loving my computer after a few months. would still highly recommend it
     
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    I own an X201T, with both touch and stylus, and couldn't be happier. The touchscreen has made me supremely lazy in terms of my computer usage as I want to just touch screens instead of scrolling.

    After holding out on purchasing a thinkpad, I am very happy I made the dive.
     
  4. MikeDT

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    anybody else own lenovo products?
    Yes my school. Everything is Lenovo 联想. My neighbours all have Lenovo cellphones. In fact one sees 'Lenovo 联想' everywhere here.
     
  5. Jay Gatsby

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    Thinkpad was my laptop of choice before Lenovo bought them. The Windows key on the Thinkpad ruins it for me. Only the most nerdy of you will understand this.
     
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    Still loving my X120e
     
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    I always hear great things about these laptops, but I wish they would step up the game in their designs. Never been a big fan of how they look.
     
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    I always hear great things about these laptops, but I wish they would step up the game in their designs. Never been a big fan of how they look.
    -1. Richard Sapper's work on the Thinkpad is an excellent example of industrial design. I can think of only a handful of laptops on the market right now that aren't hideously designed. The MacBook is one of them, but if you look at their design history, there are plenty of examples that look far more dated than older Thinkpads.
     
  9. indesertum

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    I always hear great things about these laptops, but I wish they would step up the game in their designs. Never been a big fan of how they look.

    tbh I'm a big fan of how they look. I see laptops like alienware and I feel like there's just way too many lines and ideas going on. I like how the thinkpad line looks simple, understated, and utilitarian like it's not here to fuck around
     
  10. indesertum

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    Thinkpad was my laptop of choice before Lenovo bought them. The Windows key on the Thinkpad ruins it for me. Only the most nerdy of you will understand this.

    I don't understand how a single windows key can ruin a laptop brand for you.

    Lenovo's been doing a really good job with the thinkpad line. Prices are much much more approachable than when IBM had it and they've still kept what is thinkpad about it.
     
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    I always hear great things about these laptops, but I wish they would step up the game in their designs. Never been a big fan of how they look.
    Ideapads should be right up your alley. The u260 is a beautiful computer. http://shop.lenovo.com/us/products/l...pad/index.html and +1 to the Thinkpads being a great design. My x120e looks better than any other 10-12 in computer out there. (IMO)
     
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    Ideapads should be right up your alley

    http://shop.lenovo.com/us/products/l...pad/index.html


    In which case you're better off with other brands IMO.

    I have Thinkpads, but more because they're tablets. There are laptops that are as good in terms of everyday durability and weigh less for what you get (e.g. Sony's Z) and I can't hype up the 'legendary' keyboard like apparently everyone else. I also don't rate their design at all... carbuncles, all of'em. I do like the system software you get though.
     
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    In which case you're better off with other brands IMO.

    +1 Thinkpads have extra value to me because of their longevity in the workplace. The Ideapads, there are probably better options from other manufacturers.

    I for one love the Thinkpad design. They are consistent and blend in seemlessly with models across the decades. The industrial design is pretty much spot on in terms of just enough attractiveness and nostalgia to keep me onboard. I for one like that my X201T will look "just like" a T21 to those "outside of the know." Haha
     
  14. username79

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    I have been using IBM/Lenovos for the last decade.

    I currently use an X301. I think it is the best laptop ever made.

    I have 8GB of RAM in it, a Verizon WWAN card, and a 256GB SSD. It has a six cell battery and a three cell battery in the option bay.

    It has a 13.3" 1440x900 screen with an extremely bright LED backlight.

    It weighs 3.2lbs, has the best laptop keyboard in the world, has better fit and finish than the average Lenovo (X301 had a more expensive rubberized finish), and is extremely thin.

    I work from home a lot, and live near the water. On a beautiful day I take the laptop to a waterfront park and sit in the sun. I get about 3 hours of battery life with the screen on full brightness (extremely legible in direct sunlight) and WWAN.

    Unfortunately Lenovo did not continue to develop this model. It cost $4000 or so when it was new and was a poor seller. I picked mine up brand new for $900. It is underpowered in the processor department (SU9400 1.4GHz) but the fast SSD more than makes up for it for most work. Even with a VM or two for testing things it is still quite fast (when plugged in)
     
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    ^i really wish the new generation had the same pixel count. 1440x900 with ips would be killer

    In which case you're better off with other brands IMO.

    I have Thinkpads, but more because they're tablets. There are laptops that are as good in terms of everyday durability and weigh less for what you get (e.g. Sony's Z) and I can't hype up the 'legendary' keyboard like apparently everyone else. I also don't rate their design at all... carbuncles, all of'em. I do like the system software you get though.


    imo sony z series are not as durable (no milspec testing) and they're almost double the price. I do love the design tho.

    i think a close second to the thinkpad line in terms of user interface and aesthetics are the apple products and in terms of ruggedness and durability would be HP's elitebook series
     
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    I use an x200 at work. we all do. they are beasts. Small as hell, not too heavy, does everything and then some. We beat on them pretty hard out in the field with no issues.
     
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    imo sony z series are not as durable (no milspec testing) and they're almost double the price. I do love the design tho.

    I have tried many times to 'like' the Sony Z but I can't get past the keyboards. They are awful.

    I am extremely fast typist, averaging 120-130wpm without thinking about it. I taught myself to type when I was about five or six and therefore do not follow the standard hand placement and only use three fingers on each hand.

    I cannot live without the Thinkpad keyboard. Anything else just fails to work.

    The Sony keyboards strike me as an egregious example of 'form over function.' Why all the wasted space between the keys? Why the horrible key feel? Why so long for the key to rebound? Key needs to get back up quick so I can hit it in again, most keyboards don't rebound quick enough and I find myself hitting still partially depressed keys.
     
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    I use an x200 at work. we all do. they are beasts. Small as hell, not too heavy, does everything and then some. We beat on them pretty hard out in the field with no issues.

    Seriously. I will never buy anything besides the x series again. Small, excellent battery life, even on full brightness, and light, even with the 9 cell.

    If you want a nice speed boost, swap your hard drive for an SSD. I hardly ever use my desktop anymore.
     
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    tbh I'm a big fan of how they look. I see laptops like alienware and I feel like there's just way too many lines and ideas going on. I like how the thinkpad line looks simple, understated, and utilitarian like it's not here to fuck around

    this. i will be buying one as soon as my mbp dies
     
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    I always hear great things about these laptops, but I wish they would step up the game in their designs. Never been a big fan of how they look.

    -2

    It's a minimalist, no-frills design done just right. That's one of the many reasons I own Lenovos
     

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