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lefty's random dog thread.

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I remember this woman (Nancy Koper) from years ago during the days of the Cane Corso Pages - http://www.canecorsonancy.com/index.htm She seemed to have nice dogs. Some Russian corsi. Nice looking group:
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Good head:
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Hi everyone,

Just wanted to introduce myself to you.
My name is Mariska and I am from the Netherlands.
By chance I found this topic on the Internet and decided to become a member on this board.
I'm an avid doglover and me and my partner are breeding Tosa's as from 1998 and owning them since 1994.
Besides dogs we also own some American Miniature horses and Welsh ponies.

Take care,

Mariska
 

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Hi,

Jan is the Tosa expert here. Please post some pics of your dogs.

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Hi Lefty,

That was the main reason why I became a member of this board, to get in contact with jan Libourel.

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one of our young girls

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another pic of her

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My boy (died of bloat in 2008)

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One of our males at 7 months of age

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And another headshot of Ekkie
 

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I don't know much about Tosas but that ***** seems quite nice to me. Clean, solid and capable-looking.

Sorry about your dog. Bloat is a lousy way to lose an animal.

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She is very nice indeed, she is the clown in our house.
Yes bloat is a terrible thing...I found him dead on the kitchen floor.

I guess you also own dogs?/ (silly question LOL)
 

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That's unfortunate.

I co-own a few dogs but am having trouble getting a new personal dog as I travel a lot. What I'd like is a decent Boxer out of European working lines: Germany, Belgium, Italy, France, Spain. I've seen some nice dogs in The Netherlands. The search goes on . . .

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I guess if you are looking for the "old-school" Boxers one of the best (in my modest opinion) breeders here in Holland must have been "van Worikben". His dogs were awesome; just recently I saw a website of (if I remember correctly) an Italian breeder who has preserved the Van Worikben bloodlines, allmost all other breeders have drifted far away from that blood.
What you see here mostly are not the Boxers that were bred 10 or 20 years ago. No bodies, small heads, just not the athlete a Boxer should be.
 

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My new black Tosa puppy is a relative of Mariska's black Tosa. (Surprised she didn't post a picture him.) He is a half-grand-nephew of her dog. He is probably related in various ways to some of her other dogs.

He is temperamentally far different from the other Tosas I have owned, being far rowdier and more mischievous. His dam (unrelated AFAIK to Mariska's dogs) come from lines that I suspect are heavily spiked with Pit Bull blood. Once he learns that I am NOT a chew toy, he should become a very satisfactory dog.
 

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Originally Posted by HollandLands
I guess if you are looking for the "old-school" Boxers one of the best (in my modest opinion) breeders here in Holland must have been "van Worikben". His dogs were awesome; just recently I saw a website of (if I remember correctly) an Italian breeder who has preserved the Van Worikben bloodlines, allmost all other breeders have drifted far away from that blood.
What you see here mostly are not the Boxers that were bred 10 or 20 years ago. No bodies, small heads, just not the athlete a Boxer should be.


Then your Boxers in Holland sound like most American Boxers, sad to say. The American Boxers strike me as being, in general, very "hyper" dogs with low trainability.
 

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Yes. Boxers used to look like this:
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But now, unfortunately, US Boxers are a mess. The great Cas van Workiban:
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Here he is as an elder:
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A solid Cas descendant:
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Do you have a link to the Italian kennel? lefty
 

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No, the Van Worikben breeder, Mr. Piet van Melis, died a few years ago but before that he stopped breeding Boxers for many years. The last breed he had was the Neapolitan Mastiff.
One of his most famous Mastino males I would never ever forget: Lumeloris.
Let me see if I can find the link Lefty.

One of Van Worikben's most famous boxers was World Ch. Casper van Worikben.
 

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Lefty, here is the link.
Its odd, I thought this was an Italian kennel but I am not sure.
To me its quite an intriging website, they have the old and modern type of Boxer but the funpart with this kennel is they sure know what they are talking about.
The Boxer I was talking about, Arkan, has Tenor de Loermo blood in his lines. Tenor de Loermo was a Spanish-bred Boxer owned by Van Worikben and perhaps his most famous dog.

http://www.euro-boxer.com/dogs/pedig...ain/arkan.html

Make sure you read the extended news page: there's also some American Boxers in it, they are so different.
 

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