lefty's random dog thread.

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by lefty, Mar 22, 2009.

  1. gnatty8

    gnatty8 Senior member

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    The daycare is $12 a day but I think it's worth it. He's supervised, exercised, socialized and comes home exhausted. A tired basenji is much easier to deal with plus it takes some of the responsibility off me to walk him every night, etc.

    Wow, that is some inexpensive doggie day care!!
     


  2. gnatty8

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    None of my animals have ever been altered and none of them have bred indiscriminately.

    If you can't prevent a dog under your care from not breeding you shouldn't own that animal.

    lefty


    Some dogs are better neutered as it can make them less aggressive. Not conjecture, a fact. I agree with your latter point.
     


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    ^On the other hand, spayed bitches are statistically more likely to be involved in incidents of biting children than intact bitches, I've heard. I know my bitch Tosa Jessie definitely became more aggressive after we had her spayed...but then it may simply have been a matter of getting older.
     


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    I used to bring my Aussie to doggy day care almost every day since both my wife and I work until he came home with a huge cut on his face (they kept him in the crate most of the day and he tried to eat his way out!) and he puked about 3 days worth of food that wasn't even the same color of the food that we feed him. NOT GOOD. That day care has since been seized by the city. GOOD.

    Definitely be careful when selecting your doggy day care. I will be very reluctant to send him to another one, even if it has great reviews. When I go on vacation he goes to camp upstate which he seems to like. He comes back extremely dirty, but it's to be expected since he's running around all day outside and sleeping on a barn floor usually.
     


  5. lefty

    lefty Senior member

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    Some dogs are better neutered as it can make them less aggressive. Not conjecture, a fact. I agree with your latter point.

    That's overblown. Obviously you will have some problems with rank males, but it's all easily controlled and there is strong evidence that castration increases aggression, as Jan pointed out. Old Dog Men knew that a spayed bitch was a great family protector.

    There are also number of serious health considerations to early spay/castration.

    I appreciate Stazy's breeder's position - too many people would breed this dog, but if he has a window in the contract to neuter I would wait as long as possible.

    lefty
     


  6. NorCal

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    There was a neutering clause in the purchase contract from the breeder since I bought him as a pet and not a show dog. I don't know about other breeds but it's a pretty standard practice amongst basenji breeders. Irresponsible basenji breeding seems to be rather common place and I think the neutering clause is just an attempt to curtail it.



    Yup. Most places have tiered pricing structures. The more days you buy the cheaper it is. I'm going to be switching to a closer daycare and it costs $18 but it's still worth it.


    Could you just ignore the clause?
     


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    ^On the other hand, spayed bitches are statistically more likely to be involved in incidents of biting children than intact bitches, I've heard. I know my bitch Tosa Jessie definitely became more aggressive after we had her spayed...but then it may simply have been a matter of getting older.

    Interesting. My airedale is natural and she is a doll with the new baby. I was not planning on getting her spayed anytime soon but perhaps I'll consider passing entirely.

    The one time I could see you having an excuse for not being able to control your dog's breeding is when you have a true country dog. We used to leave our dog alone on 150 acres when we went out for the day and she ran well further than that. I suppose you should know when your bitch is in heat but I could imagine missing it at the beginning.

    BTW any pro tips to insure you don't miss her going into heat?

    The breeder I bought from actually seemed to favor leaving her natural, or at the very least until she was of age.
    She gets a little more attention at the beach from time to time but she handles her suitors pretty well (chomp chomp).
     


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    He probably wouldn't get the dog's registration and may even set a situation where the dog could be reclaimed by the breeder.

    lefty
     


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    He probably wouldn't get the dog's registration and may even set a situation where the dog could be reclaimed by the breeder.

    lefty


    Damn. That's harsh. The more I learn the more I realize I lucked out with my breeder.
     


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    Interesting. My airedale is natural and she is a doll with the new baby. I was not planning on getting her spayed anytime soon but perhaps I'll consider passing entirely.

    The one time I could see you having an excuse for not being able to control your dog's breeding is when you have a true country dog. We used to leave our dog alone on 150 acres when we went out for the day and she ran well further than that.


    A dog that runs free in the country is a very different situation. A kennel is necessary.

    I suppose you should know when your bitch is in heat but I could imagine missing it at the beginning.

    BTW any pro tips to insure you don't miss her going into heat?


    When she looks at you with love in her eyes, lock her up.

    The breeder I bought from actually seemed to favor leaving her natural, or at the very least until she was of age.
    She gets a little more attention at the beach from time to time but she handles her suitors pretty well (chomp chomp).


    You have a good and responsible breeder. It makes we want to take another look at an Airedale. I'd like to see her when I come down.

    lefty
     


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    Damn. That's harsh. The more I learn the more I realize I lucked out with my breeder.

    It could happen. Depends on the contract. But I doubt they would travel up to Canada to get the dog.

    lefty
     


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    That's overblown. Obviously you will have some problems with rank males, but it's all easily controlled and there is strong evidence that castration increases aggression, as Jan pointed out. Old Dog Men knew that a spayed bitch was a great family protector.

    There are also number of serious health considerations to early spay/castration.

    I appreciate Stazy's breeder's position - too many people would breed this dog, but if he has a window in the contract to neuter I would wait as long as possible.

    lefty


    I am not sure I agree it's overblown, as there is a good deal of research to support this claim. There are also a number of other good reasons, testicular cancer being one (yes, dogs get it too, testicular tumors are the second most common tumor found in male dogs), it can reduce the urge to mark territory, as well as the urge to roam, ostensibly to find a mate. I think everybody needs to educate themselves about the pros and cons of neutering their pet and decide accordingly. I do agree with you though that one should be careful not to have a dog neutered too early though for a number of other reasons, potential increase in other risks being the main one.
     


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    It makes we want to take another look at an Airedale. I'd like to see her when I come down.

    lefty


    Sounds good. She's always happy to meet new folks.
     


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    I am not sure I agree it's overblown, as there is a good deal of research to support this claim. There are also a number of other good reasons, testicular cancer being one (yes, dogs get it too, testicular tumors are the second most common tumor found in male dogs), it can reduce the urge to mark territory, as well as the urge to roam, ostensibly to find a mate. I think everybody needs to educate themselves about the pros and cons of neutering their pet and decide accordingly. I do agree with you though that one should be careful not to have a dog neutered too early though for a number of other reasons, potential increase in other risks being the main one.
    Those behavior problems you're talking about are not actually problems. Testicular cancer is easily caught early and not that big of a deal. Early Spay-Neuter Considerations for the Canine Athlete = One Veterinarian's Opinion Â[​IMG] 2005 Chris Zink DVM, PhD, DACVP
    Sorry, Stazy. I didn't mean to call you out on your personal decision, but if you do have the opportunity to talk to your breeder about concerns (if you have them) you may be able to wait for a bit. Is he lifting his leg yet? lefty
     


  15. gnatty8

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    Those behavior problems you're talking about are not actually problems. Testicular cancer is easily caught early and not that big of a deal.

    Early Spay-Neuter Considerations for the Canine Athlete = One Veterinarian's Opinion
    Â[​IMG] 2005 Chris Zink DVM, PhD, DACVP


    I think this is key in the "evidence" you've posted. If I wanted to spend the time, I am sure I could produce equally compelling evidence supporting neutering. It's up to everyone making the decision which risks they wish to take and which they do not. It's like circumcision in children, there are pluses and minuses and responsible parents need to educate themselves. However, saying neutering is wrong period is, well, wrong period. It has pluses and minuses, and it's up to each dog owner to weigh those responsibly. I wouldn't think of keeping a male dog intact, but I am making that decision on an informed basis, and after many, many years of owning many breeds of dogs.
     


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