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lefty's random dog thread.

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by lefty, Mar 22, 2009.

  1. lefty

    lefty Distinguished Member

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    A few pics and videos I've come across in the past few weeks. My interests are mostly working, protection and ringsport dogs. And small "b" bulldogs ...

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    But feel free to add what you like.

    A ring trial pic of some old friends:

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    The decoy went on to train a breed rarely seen in NA, the Cao de Fila de Sao Miguel. Pretty cool looking dogs.

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    High flying Dobermann:

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    Low flying Boxer:

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    As a decoy I have had my hands bitten, legs bruised beyond belief (the suit only offers so much protection), taken one straight in the yarbles on the day I forgot my cup and had my face bitten which gave me 16 stitches and cost me a tooth. However, we never trained dogs to target the face.

    It seems the Ukrainians do that:

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    I can't remember if these were French or Belgian cops training. Some people say the malinois is too small for manstopping but as I have been flattened on my ass by a 50 lb Donovan Pincher who was too fast to compensate for ... speed counts.

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    Here are some highlights of a French Ring trial. Ringsport is a combantion of obedience, agility and protection. In the protection phase, the decoy's job is to take points away from the dog with escapes, deceit or strong stick hits to make the dog release the bite.

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    A nice little demo of the Ringsport Face Attack showing the intensity of the stick hits.

    http://www.barriquesmalinois.net/rod...many_demo_.asf

    Same dog - Object Guard. The dog must stay with the object and can only bite the decoy when he is within a few metres.

    http://www.barriquesmalinois.net/rod...many_demo_.asf

    Some old shots of early bulldogs and the men/women who loved them. Some of these dogs represent the foundation stock of the American Staffordshire Terrier and thus came directly from fighting stock and were occasionally rolled.

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    Old pic, but damn:

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    Dog crossed with porcupine.

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    lefty if you walk a dog once in the morning and once at night, will that be enough?
     


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    lefty if you walk a dog once in the morning and once at night, will that be enough?

    Probably not. A dog that's only getting two 30 minute walks each day may become bored and destructive.

    If you watch Cesar Milan the first thing he advises people to do is walk their "troubled" dogs more often and for longer. Why? A tired dog is a calm dog.

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    Probably not. A dog that's only getting two 30 minute walks each day may become bored and destructive. If you watch Cesar Milan the first thing he advises people to do is walk their "troubled" dogs more often and for longer. Why? A tired dog is a calm dog. lefty
    I just don't get how people have dogs and work, especially in the city.
     


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  8. lefty

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    I have a great love for Boxers. It was my first breed and still ranks as a great all around companion.

    Here's a fine looking fellow:

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    What is particularly interesting about this dog is that he has a natural bobtail.

    Traditionally, the Boxer has its tail docked at the first few days of age, but in the early 90s a British Boxer breeder and geneticist thought he would try and introduce a bobtail gene into the Boxer by crossing them with Pembroke Welsh Corgis. For the most part, he succeeded.

    You can find the series of articles here.

    A shot from the European Atibox show - the largest collection of Boxers in the world.

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    Anyone who has been to a US dog show will notice a difference in how the dogs are presented. No artificial stacking and the dogs are brought together to see if they fire up. Weak dogs are excused.

    A typical US style presentation:

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    Which looks like a dog you would want to own?

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    What is particularly interesting about this dog is that he has a natural bobtail.

    Traditionally, the Boxer has its tail docked at the first few days of age, but in the early 90s a British Boxer breeder and geneticist thought he would try and introduce a bobtail gene into the Boxer by crossing them with Pembroke Welsh Corgis. For the most part, he succeeded.

    Interesting. Have they tried this for other dog breeds?
     


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    The old man in the top photo is Genkichi Sudo, who personally selected my first Tosa, Inazuma, for me. He died shortly afterward. His grandson once visited my house in Long Beach to see how Zuma was doing. The dog in the middle of the three Tosa photos was probably the result of recent crossings with Old English Mastiffs, as many of those big Kochi dogs are.

    Lefty, was the dog in the Ukrainian video a pure APBT or some kind of bandog? As you know, I am not afraid of big, tough dogs, but a couple of bandogs I have met were downright terrifying.

    A few days ago, there was an incident in Rancho Mirage, California, where a man was reported killed by two "Bullmastiffs" he was trying to breed. From the one not very good photo of the dogs I saw, the dogs were most definitely not Bullmastiffs. They were either Bandogs or possibly Presas or Canes. As you doubtless recall, there was a similar confusion about the identity of the dogs that killed Diane Alexis Whipple in the notorious incident in San Francisco on January 27, 2001. The Presas were initially erroneously identified as "Bullmastiffs."

    Interesting to see some Boxers doing protection work. I think most all the good ones are in Europe. Just about every American Boxer I have encountered has been hyper with very low trainability...although they are often sweet dogs.
     


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    The decoy went on to train a breed rarely seen in NA, the Cao de Fila de Sao Miguel. Pretty cool looking dogs.

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    A pal of mine has a Cao de Fila de Sao Miguel. He describes her as "hard as nails." I considered getting one after my Tosa Dempsey had to be put down, but I decided it might be too intense a dog for me, at least as an urban companion dog. I seem to recall your telling me of that almost savaged a woman who tried to pet the dog or something similar.
     


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    Adopted from the SPCA a few weeks ago:

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    Those Tosa pics will bring Jan out pretty damn fast.

    Interesting. Have they tried this for other dog breeds?

    To target and introduce a specific physical trait, not that I know of. But we have been screwing with dogs genes forever and there has been a movement in the last 20 years or so to recreate or resurrect lost breeds - most notably, the Olde Englishe Bulldogge.

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    The Basenji Club of America - to their credit - petition the AKC to open up their studbook and then went to Africa in the late 80s to find new stock. These dogs gave the breed a much needed shot of new blood.

    Here's some info

    A great article by Jeffrey Bragg, a sled dog breeder, discussing the genetic corner than we've painted ourselves into by closing studbooks.

    Purebred Dog Breeds into the Twenty-First Century -- Achieving Genetic Health for Our Dogs


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    robin--do you have a Tosa Inu? Those dogs are fierce!!!
     


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