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Leather Quality and Properties

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by VegTan, Jul 8, 2013.

  1. Stirling

    Stirling Senior member

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    Sorry for digging this post up from the past.

    I have been looking to see if there are actually ways to condition suede. And have had very little luck. (All products seem to be either recoloring or water proofing. Only one talks about conditioning: http://www.hangerproject.com/saphir-suede-spray.html and even then its not really its core purpose)

    When you said:
    Could you point me to this conditioner for suede. I have been searching for one. But have only found the saphir one. (Also feel free to answer the above suede questions if you know the answers.)
    http://www.hangerproject.com/saphir-suede-spray.html
     
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    Interested in the same as well! I tried to put some lexol conditioner on a pair of suede boat shoes, just to test; they are noticeably softer, but got some whitish residue on them - I would not recommend on doing it on regular suede. I think Glenjay is talking about regular shampoo with coconut oil in it, like this.
     
  4. DWFII

    DWFII Bespoke Boot and Shoemaker Dubiously Honored

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    Not off hand. But I used to carry a product (and knew of several other brands) that were touted as cleaners and conditioners for suede. All of them were sprays. Meltonian had a product as I recall. Leather Magic and I think even Cavalier marketed a spray conditioner.


    1) yes, that's probably correct...if you have access to the smooth side.

    2) The products say you can. Any cleaner probably will condition the leather as well. But, of course, cleaning is almost as critical as conditioning. Maybe moreso.

    3) Never tried that. Perhaps if you could atomize the liquid sufficiently it would work.

    4) Ignorance? As I've said many times, there is no sin in ignorance only in choosing to remain ignorant. All leather needs cleaning and conditioning.

    The Saphir may be the best product available...that's what I would use if it were me. But...

    http://www.amazon.com/Meltonian-Sue...306&sr=8-3&keywords=Suede+Leather+Conditioner
     
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    Cool I guess ill have to spring for the saphir stuff.

    Oh and you said cleaning was almost as important as conditioning. Could you elaborate as to why this is? Is it just that cleaning opens the pores back up or something?

    If i am able to get my hands on some scrap suede leather I may test the spray-lexol theory. If I do ill report back, but it may be sometime before I do.
     
  6. DWFII

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    Dirt is often ground up rock. whatever it is comprised of it contributes to cracking of the leather. You may not see it on a suede but abrasion and drying take place.
     
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    I've spent too much time on these threads -- when you said "lasts," I thought you were referring to, you know, the lasting process. I thought to myself "If the leather's easy to make retain the shape of a last, how could they lose money?"

    But then I remembered what "to last" means in the real world, and I got it. Womp womp.
     
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    I see that makes sense. Thank you for the info again.
     
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    You're welcome.
     
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    What exactly is "box calf" and why is it supposedly better than regular calf? Is it just an appearance thing? Does anybody have photos to explain this?
     
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    Box calf has been staked in 2 directions, so in simplified theory the grain is goes from roundish to rectangularish to squarish via this staking. At least, that's the traditional description, more or less. In practice there should be much less stretch and irregularities in a true Box calf. It also used to only be allowed on Black Calf and similar staking on colored calf would be called Willow Calf......not sure if any of that is cared about any longer.
     
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    Thanks, what do you mean by "staking"? Do you mean like stretched to dry during tanning?
     
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    So, can I use the same brushes that I use on my tan shoes on my burgundy ones. Or do I need to buy some new ones for the burgundy. I don't think this got answered.
    Very best wishes, Munky.
     
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    if you don't mind getting the tan shoes darkened, yeah, just one brush.

    I use one brush for all of mine brown shoes, and the other one for black
     
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    Of course you can,Munky, but afterwards you won't want to use that same brush on your tan shoes :embar:
     
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    Here are a staking machine and its mechanism. Hardened leather after drying is sandwiched between vibrating stakes to soften the fibers of the leather.


    Boarding by hand or machine is another method to soften leather. Besides softening, it develops grain patterns — willow grain, box grain, and pebbled grain. Box grain is considered as one of the origin of box calf.


    Here are other explanations of its origin from Handmade Shoes for Men.

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    These are current definitions.

     
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    patrickBOOTH Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    That all sounds pretty harsh on the leather, no?
     
  18. xabi2005

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    Hello everybody
    Please allow me to correct France T. Kegar is a partner of Weinheimer Leder. When Freudenberg closed, the beamhouse machinery was transferred to Kegar where the entire production is taken by Weinheimer Leder. All of Freudenbergs articles are still produced using Freudenberg methods.
    I would be happy to provide any further information should you wish.
     
  19. patrickBOOTH

    patrickBOOTH Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Moral of the story: Don't buy cheap leather products!!!

     
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    Is such pollution synonymous with leather tanneries? How sad...
     

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