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Veg retan isn't all that hard to find...maybe esp. on this side of the pond. But it isn't always oil-stuffed, so it can have a dry character or a waxy / greasy character. It is invariably made from older animals and as a result is not as dense as leather from younger animals (ie. calfskin) I suspect that's why it is tanned that way--skins from older animals can be quite 'loose' especially when chrome tanned. The veg tanned aspects firms it up...at least initially. It can be a good choice for shoes and boots esp. casual or work boots.

A lot of Horween leathers are from older animals and retanned.
 

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Veg retan isn't all that hard to find...maybe esp. on this side of the pond. But it isn't always oil-stuffed, so it can have a dry character or a waxy / greasy character. It is invariably made from older animals and as a result is not as dense as leather from younger animals (ie. calfskin) I suspect that's why it is tanned that way--skins from older animals can be quite 'loose' especially when chrome tanned. The veg tanned aspects firms it up...at least initially. It can be a good choice for shoes and boots esp. casual or work boots.

A lot of Horween leathers are from older animals and retanned.
Thank you very much for that, DW, it is very helpful. This leather does appear to be hot stuffed. I haven't seen (in shoes) a leather as thick as this but as supple. I am very happy with it and with the boots. Great to hear from you again and very best wishes, Munky.
 

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I have recently gotten into amateur leathercrafting. Luckily, I live near 5-6 shops that sell leather scraps that they have purchased from local shoe companies and bag manufacturers. Some of them sell "cordovan" scraps similar to the photo below. This portion appears to be the area "between the shells" in the second diagram. The shells have been cut out of this portion, so I think it is probably better to call it horsehide instead of cordovan or shell cordovan.

Is this area suitable for wallets, watch straps, or other small leather goods? Sometimes I see vertical creasing between the shells. Is this area particularly weak?

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There is no area between the shells, that piece is where they’ve cut two toe areas of vamps side-by-side out of one football shaped shell. There probably isn’t enough leather there to be useful for anything more than a key ring or something, if you speak to your region’s Horweens dealer they should have plenty of “chips” that aren’t particularly expensive, chips are just small shells that are useful for watch straps etc
 

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Ntempleman,

Thank you for your response. I guess it could be two vamps cut from one oval shell. I thought it might be the area between the area between two shells as seen around 5:04 in this Horween video.

I live in Japan. These scraps are often red, pink or black. I had guessed that they are Shinki cordovan used to make elementary school student bags


I will see if I can find some "chips."

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