No. I hate that type of jacket, as I've often stated, and I wear Margiela 5-zips. They are definitely substantial, though perhaps not as heavy as the very early ones, which are nearly as heavy as real moto jackets (or at least, jackets made for city use by Vanson and Schott.) Even the calf ones are tough. The horse is extra durable. I like them, and mine is a go to.