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I doubt thats the intent you can always just ask @kiya yourself and he'll clarify.

The IH version of the jacket is cut "classic" so a bit more boxy. The SE version was adjusted to fit slimmer and more modern. Think of IH version for TFL guys and IHxSE for SF guys. The length is the same on both jackets btw.

One of the main reason i liked this jacket is that it fell right below my belt bucket but was also slim, i hate short jackets in general.
I’m not dunking on SE or IH or anything. Ultimately there is a trend within our particular clothes subculture for people to force themselves into things that don‘t fit because it checks off some particular box. Remember the advice to downsize eight sizes in raw denim a decade ago? Or our friend Understatesman having a 40 inch chest but insisting on wearing slim Japanese 38s?
 

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I’m not dunking on SE or IH or anything. Ultimately there is a trend within our particular clothes subculture for people to force themselves into things that don‘t fit because it checks off some particular box. Remember the advice to downsize eight sizes in raw denim a decade ago? Or our friend Understatesman having a 40 inch chest but insisting on wearing slim Japanese 38s?
I didnt think you were knocking anything. Rather I am confused about your point to Understatesman which is related to Japanese folks wearing leather jackets long? Correct me with what you mean because I am confused.

In general there is a trend for loose/drapy riders that has been happening for a bit now.
 

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Rather I am confused about your point to Understatesman which is related to Japanese folks wearing leather jackets long? Correct me with what you mean because I am confused.
Ah, I was saying 25.5" would only be considered a 'long' jacket in the Japanese market.
 

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Ah, I was saying 25.5" would only be considered a 'long' jacket in the Japanese market.
And you were saying Japanese bodies are strange in the sense that normal chest zips on jackets made by them appear "high" on non-Japanese bodies. Which is fuckin' weird, but ok.
 

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Check out my collection of descending chest zips (l-r: IH, Real McCoys, Schott). IH definitely wear high.

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And you were saying Japanese bodies are strange in the sense that normal chest zips on jackets made by them appear "high" on non-Japanese bodies. Which is fuckin' weird, but ok.
I said on a short person, which by and large is the case there, that zip would appear lower than it does or someone of average American height. I don’t even have an issue with where it falls there but I think that’s why it seems higher.
 

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I said on a short person, which by and large is the case there, that zip would appear lower than it does or someone of average American height. I don’t even have an issue with where it falls there but I think that’s why it seems higher.
Nitpicking but just so people understand; if the patterns for each size are properly calibrated AND japanese people of the same size as americans tend to have the same chest proportions that wouldn't be the case (i.e. Japanese people might not be shorter on average AT THE SAME WEIGHT/size, they might just tend to be both shorter and smaller). I have no idea if any of those things are true but basically you prepare for your market and you make sure that each xxs-xxl sizing works properly (not magical though won't fit everyone). You'll often see brands fuck this up and have sizing at the extreme but all off.
 

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The only one I'm not fond of is the Real McCoy because the zip dangle things are at the exact height and location of your nipples. Reminds me of the Batman Forever batsuit.
Also scarred for life with that one

Nitpicking but just so people understand; if the patterns for each size are properly calibrated AND japanese people of the same size as americans tend to have the same chest proportions that wouldn't be the case (i.e. Japanese people might not be shorter on average AT THE SAME WEIGHT/size, they might just tend to be both shorter and smaller). I have no idea if any of those things are true but basically you prepare for your market and you make sure that each xxs-xxl sizing works properly (not magical though won't fit everyone). You'll often see brands fuck this up and have sizing at the extreme but all off.
Funny story, I bought a Uniqlo thermal via eBay before they had stores in the USA and its a a size medium.

Recently I bought some more Uniqlo thermals in USA, size XS and S, guess what the XS (which really should be a regular size S in the USA but vanity sizing sigh) lined up perfectly with a size M from Japan. Anyways I wanted a tighter fit and the thermal stretches so its fine but regardless I find that funny.
 

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Recently I bought some more Uniqlo thermals in USA, size XS and S, guess what the XS (which really should be a regular size S in the USA but vanity sizing sigh) lined up perfectly with a size M from Japan. Anyways I wanted a tighter fit and the thermal stretches so its fine but regardless I find that funny.
I think the worst version of this phenomenon is Japanese companies arbitrarily deciding that alpha sizes have a set numerical size meaning. (So, to simplify, they think say 42 = XL, therefore XL = 42 or whatever, forgetting or not realizing that that number is actually based on the wearer's chest measurement.) Thus I have two tees from Studio D'Artisan that measure a straight 20" across the chest– the tagged size? "XXL 42-44"
 

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I think the worst version of this phenomenon is Japanese companies arbitrarily deciding that alpha sizes have a set numerical size meaning. (So, to simplify, they think say 42 = XL, therefore XL = 42 or whatever, forgetting or not realizing that that number is actually based on the wearer's chest measurement.) Thus I have two tees from Studio D'Artisan that measure a straight 20" across the chest– the tagged size? "XXL 42-44"
:facepalm:
 

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Mind you, I checked the measurements and knew which one I needed to order for my 40" chest– but if I had done like some of our friends here, I would have ordered the "40" anyway, posted a fit pic, insisted I'm a 40, then put the tee up for sale.
 

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