1. And... we're back. You'll notice that all of your images are back as well, as are our beloved emoticons, including the infamous :foo: We have also worked with our server folks and developers to fix the issues that were slowing down the site.

    There is still work to be done - the images in existing sigs are not yet linked, for example, and we are working on a way to get the images to load faster - which will improve the performance of the site, especially on the pages with a ton of images, and we will continue to work diligently on that and keep you updated.

    Cheers,

    Fok on behalf of the entire Styleforum team
    Dismiss Notice

Law Schools - Where and Why?

Discussion in 'Business, Careers & Education' started by El Argentino, Nov 2, 2011.

  1. sns23

    sns23 Senior member

    Messages:
    460
    Joined:
    Jun 28, 2011
    lol at only attending top 6.
     
  2. silvere2

    silvere2 Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    51
    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2010
    

    At full price. Read more carefully.
     
  3. Ebichuman

    Ebichuman Senior member

    Messages:
    522
    Joined:
    Jun 22, 2011
    Location:
    North and East from the centre
    

    I disagree. I didn't know anyone that didn't have stellar grades and 90+ percentile tests at the top schools (Law and Business) I was at.

    The LSAT may not be predictor of success IN law school but a high score sure as heck is a must to get in.
     
  4. Lord-Barrington

    Lord-Barrington Senior member

    Messages:
    2,811
    Joined:
    Sep 20, 2010
    

    I'd probably only attend a t6 at full price. You have to understand that full price for law school can easily hit 160k or more for three years, which basically means you have to land a market paying job afterwards to hope to repay your loans. A lot of schools towards the bottom of the t14 can't guarantee that anymore.
     
  5. silvere2

    silvere2 Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    51
    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2010
    

    Not to mention that the LSAT has more predictive value in terms of first year law school grades than any other quantifiable factor a law student may bring to the table, including GPA.

    http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1184302
     
    Last edited: Nov 3, 2011
  6. inq89

    inq89 Senior member

    Messages:
    454
    Joined:
    Mar 23, 2009
    So glad I helped talk my brother out of law school, he dropped out after his 1L year from a low ranked school, and is now going into a completely different field. Think I saved him 2 years of his life and thousands of loan dollars.

    Do the right thing and go into the medical field OP. Same amount of studying, but at least you'll have a bigger chance of getting hired somewhere with more money lol
     
  7. ConcernedParent

    ConcernedParent Senior member

    Messages:
    4,234
    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2009
    Location:
    West Coast is back for all you suckas
    


    I'm talking strictly about getting in. All sources indicate GPA along with LSAT= in.




    :fu:. I'm fairly confident I will get in somewhere in the t14+UCLA, given that my work habits don't significantly taper off towards graduation or while studying for the LSAT. Money isn't really that big of a deal to me because I've been spoiled silly with a fortunate situation. I'm mostly worried about the bloodbath it is for newly grads; is it really that bad for a t14+UCLA grad (lets count UCLA since, Los Angeles is one place I know for sure I wouldn't mind living/practicing in)? The anecdote about Gtown grads I hope is more of a hyperbolic exception than the norm.

    This along with the fact that, lets face it, I'm going to graduate with an impractical humanities degree. Though I have nearly as much of a quantitative background as business admin or econ majors, a good gpa and I attend a good school ("great" here on the left coast), it's going to be hard to convince employers that I can do anything besides HR monkey work. I feel backed into a corner and unsure what to do. I've been told all my life that getting into a good college was the "ticket", then when I got here I was told getting into a good grad program was the "ticket"- now that that's beginning to line up, my naivety is starting to realize that not only are there no free lunches, but shit is brutal even towards the top. needmoarprozac.
     
    Last edited: Nov 4, 2011
  8. sns23

    sns23 Senior member

    Messages:
    460
    Joined:
    Jun 28, 2011


    Of course you need both high grades and a high test score to get into the top schools. I was attempting to say that don't expect to get into a good school just because you have a high gpa. I have a friend who got into a top 20 with a sub 3.0
     
  9. MattR

    MattR Senior member

    Messages:
    671
    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2011
    Location:
    Northern Virginia
    

    From what I hear, it really is that bad for just about everyone.

    Again, a lot of it depends on what you want to do with the degree. If you want to practice, find a practice area that's typically in demand and won't be as susceptible to the technology revolution (ex. domestic relations). But don't think that any school guarantees you a Big Law job.

    Use your alumni contacts. Obviously, not a guarantee, but most are usually happy to talk with you, and who knows where it leads. Similarly, take internships, especially if you can get credit (yeah, it sucks to pay to work, but it's usually one less test you have to take).

    Make it out of the first year within the Top 25% of your class, and hopefully better.
     
  10. silvere2

    silvere2 Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    51
    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2010
    

    Ok, then I think this is a good question to ask before giving more advice: Where do you most want to live, where would you not mind living, and where (if anywhere, usually people say midwest, or the south) do you absolutely NOT want to live?
     
  11. Ambulance Chaser

    Ambulance Chaser Senior member

    Messages:
    9,790
    Joined:
    Mar 7, 2002
    Location:
    Washington, D.C.
    From what I have heard, the law job market is that bad. For jobs that allow you to pay off your $150K debt in a reasonable amount of time, anyways. Not only do new graduates have to worry about finding jobs, junior associates have to worry about being let go because they're more expensive than new graduates.
     
  12. sns23

    sns23 Senior member

    Messages:
    460
    Joined:
    Jun 28, 2011
    Top 25% of the class does not cut it these days . Even the top 5% are having trouble finding employment
     
  13. silvere2

    silvere2 Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    51
    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2010
    

    As usual, it depends on the school. Top quarter at my lower T14 had no problem finding a market paying job. In fact top 1/3rd or so had great results, middle 1/3rd had middling results and the lower 1/3rd struggled. But virtually everyone found a job, maybe not paying 160k but still paying, by the time they graduated. But at 90% of law schools yes, this is the case.
     
    Last edited: Nov 4, 2011
  14. onix

    onix Senior member

    Messages:
    3,847
    Joined:
    Jan 19, 2009
    Many mixed signals in this thread. My recommendations for everyone who goes to law schools:

    - T14, or at least top 20. Else, don't bother.
    - Factors to get in: high (LSAC calculated) GPA to have your profile passed the first round, high LSAT to get some serious consideration, then personal statement and LORs.
    - For high archivers: all T14 have full ride and some do match their competitors, so if you already have high GPA, works on your LSAT to get over 172, a full ride is very likely.
     
  15. sns23

    sns23 Senior member

    Messages:
    460
    Joined:
    Jun 28, 2011
    

    To say that if you do not get into a top 20 school to not bother at all is pretty shoddy advice. It is fine to go to any top 100, but be prepared to work to finish at the top of the class to have any shot of landing a high paying big firm job.
     
  16. onix

    onix Senior member

    Messages:
    3,847
    Joined:
    Jan 19, 2009
    

    I would agree if it was 10-15 years ago.

    With top 20 graduating thousands every year, skyrocketing tuition cost, shrinking job market, the competition/pressure after graduating is too tough. And getting into top 20 is not as tough as it sounds, 3 months drilling on and plowing through all PrepTests put most people somewhere between 165 and 170 LSAT, and that with a, says, 3.75 GPA put one in a bunch of top 20 already. I would rather go hardcore for 3 months than trying hard for the next 3 years.

    Of course, you will most likely to disagree. Just my experience.
     
  17. ConcernedParent

    ConcernedParent Senior member

    Messages:
    4,234
    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2009
    Location:
    West Coast is back for all you suckas
    

    All big, suffering markets :embar:.

    Want to: Los Angeles, Bay area, NYC; wouldn't mind: Boston, DC, Chicago, Philly, maybe Austin. I'll be one of those usual people and say I can't envision myself in the midwest or south.
     
  18. skitlets

    skitlets Senior member

    Messages:
    2,310
    Joined:
    Dec 29, 2009
    Location:
    DC
    I'm applying to schools this month. The advice I've gathered from various law school forums is Tier 1 at the minimum. Only top14 are worth full price. Of course, a lot depends on what you want to do and where you want to practice.

    I want to stay local to the Bay Area so UC Hastings is about as low as I'd go. PM me if you want to talk about the admissions process or the LSAT.
     
  19. skitlets

    skitlets Senior member

    Messages:
    2,310
    Joined:
    Dec 29, 2009
    Location:
    DC
    

    The LSAT is definitely a learn-able test. My logic-spatial thinking is terrible and I suck at logic games. I PT'ed 170+ with 4 months of moderate studying and scored a bit under that. A 3.75gpa and 170+ LSAT gets you considered at a lot of good schools.
     
  20. sns23

    sns23 Senior member

    Messages:
    460
    Joined:
    Jun 28, 2011
    

    Impossible since only a few percent of test takers score in that range.
     

Share This Page

Styleforum is proudly sponsored by