Law Schools - Where and Why?

Discussion in 'Business, Careers & Education' started by El Argentino, Nov 2, 2011.

  1. randomkoreandude

    randomkoreandude Senior member

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    lord: also depends on what job you had when you grad and from what school and how well you did there plus the rest of your cv

    i grad from CWRU (known only for med & eng, which is why i went in the first place) with poli sci & soci and i had a job offer at a prominent lobbying firm in DC but the pay wasnt what i wanted. i think he was going to give me 45-50k ish. but i didnt get that job from my school or grades as much as my own hustle as you said. i worked over the summer with them and they loved me. i could have gone to any school for that job

    for me i ended up taking the lsat senior year, scored pretty well, got in early at gtown, deferred and took the year off to "relax" while i tutored some students on the side
     
  2. Kid Nickels

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    You would think so but universities are just businesses. I mean wtf is someone going to do with a philosophy, history, or anthropology degree all by itself? Aside from going the academic route, they are just reasonable foundations and stepping stones to some other grad degree. Fortunately, I got a full ride in undergrad and didn't owe a dime. Any money I borrow can be applied directly to grad school.
     
  3. Lord-Barrington

    Lord-Barrington Senior member

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    I think what people often forget about engineering or computer science is that for many, many people studying these fields and then working in them would be horrifically boring. I was certainly one of those people. I work with engineers now and can't see myself doing what they do and I certainly couldn't have spent four years studying what they did.

    A job, and your education, should be at the intersection of what you like, what you're good at, and what others will pay you to do. A lot of engineering students I've known were neither good at it or enjoyed it, and were therefore miserable in their studies and their subsequent careers.
     
  4. Lord-Barrington

    Lord-Barrington Senior member

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    No one finds a job working as a philosopher, but you can find entry level work in many businesses with a variety of degrees.

    As I said, Political Science degree here and I work in business for a large corporation.
     
  5. Kid Nickels

    Kid Nickels Senior member

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    right. Of course I'm limiting the scope as such.... some of those degrees will open doors into entry level positions of a somewhat related (or not) nature... but from a literal standpoint, ya you are not actually getting paid to philosophize or be Indiana Jones or something.
     
  6. Lord-Barrington

    Lord-Barrington Senior member

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    Of course not. But people get too hung up on getting a degree that leads directly to a given career. And those degrees are relatively few and many of them are in hard sciences/engineering. And those fields just aren't interesting to a lot of people.

    With that said, you're absolutely right that a student who graduates with a social science/humanities degree will need to put in a lot more legwork to secure employment than someone with a hard science degree.
     
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    there are actually quite a few lawyers who gave up their jobs and go to med school. not an easy road either, but the job security is nice
     
  8. IUtoSLU

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    Myabe this has been said, but you can't trust any school's "employment numbers." This is a well-known and documented problem with the ABA's regulation on employment reporting. Most schools report 90% employment within 9 months, but the reality is that the school will have 30% employed in bar-passage-required jobs. Buyer beware.

    Also, clerk placement doesn't mean much unless you are truly an amazing student and person.
     
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  9. Kid Nickels

    Kid Nickels Senior member

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    hey random... we have a similar story... I did much the same and a CWRU grad as well... I killed the LSAT last year and now I'm just waiting on acceptances. (btw... Case's business and law have come a long way.... Weatherhead ranked #34 and CWRU law #55)
     
  10. randomkoreandude

    randomkoreandude Senior member

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    whoa nice to see another cwru grad ...

    yeah weatherhead has always been pretty good. mr pbl put a lot into the school and surprised its not ranked higher tbh. law has also come a long way but wouldnt go even with a full ride and they paid me lol.

    im glad i ended up where i did and i owe cwru a lil credit but i HATED that school
     
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    Kid Nickels Senior member

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    jeez it's even more funny to hear how similar perspectives we have... agree with all you said above! I actually went there for undergrad on a full-ride, also hated (an continue to loathe) Cleveland, only kept my sanity by doing a junior year abroad in Australia, and also would not go back there even with another full-ride and a six figure stipend! haha.... (seven maybe :lol:)
     
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    CWRU Law gave me a full ride and a stipend, and I turned them down, though I love Cleveland.
     
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    :puzzled: r u serious? you must be f'g w/ me!
     
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    LB, you are a savvy fellow, no doubt, but its annoying that you try to make a point at every mother fucking turn. hustle indeed :lol:
     
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    No doubt. I've been looking up numbers reported by firms rather than schools.

    19 students out of a class of about 80 for the graduating 2012 class landed clerkships from UCI. They've gotta be doing something right.
     

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