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Law Schools - Where and Why?

Discussion in 'Business, Careers & Education' started by El Argentino, Nov 2, 2011.

  1. Lord-Barrington

    Lord-Barrington Senior member

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    Of course not. But people get too hung up on getting a degree that leads directly to a given career. And those degrees are relatively few and many of them are in hard sciences/engineering. And those fields just aren't interesting to a lot of people.

    With that said, you're absolutely right that a student who graduates with a social science/humanities degree will need to put in a lot more legwork to secure employment than someone with a hard science degree.
     
  2. facebookdigg123

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    there are actually quite a few lawyers who gave up their jobs and go to med school. not an easy road either, but the job security is nice
     
  3. IUtoSLU

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    Myabe this has been said, but you can't trust any school's "employment numbers." This is a well-known and documented problem with the ABA's regulation on employment reporting. Most schools report 90% employment within 9 months, but the reality is that the school will have 30% employed in bar-passage-required jobs. Buyer beware.

    Also, clerk placement doesn't mean much unless you are truly an amazing student and person.
     
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  4. Kid Nickels

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    hey random... we have a similar story... I did much the same and a CWRU grad as well... I killed the LSAT last year and now I'm just waiting on acceptances. (btw... Case's business and law have come a long way.... Weatherhead ranked #34 and CWRU law #55)
     
  5. randomkoreandude

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    whoa nice to see another cwru grad ...

    yeah weatherhead has always been pretty good. mr pbl put a lot into the school and surprised its not ranked higher tbh. law has also come a long way but wouldnt go even with a full ride and they paid me lol.

    im glad i ended up where i did and i owe cwru a lil credit but i HATED that school
     
  6. Kid Nickels

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    jeez it's even more funny to hear how similar perspectives we have... agree with all you said above! I actually went there for undergrad on a full-ride, also hated (an continue to loathe) Cleveland, only kept my sanity by doing a junior year abroad in Australia, and also would not go back there even with another full-ride and a six figure stipend! haha.... (seven maybe :lol:)
     
  7. Huntsman

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    CWRU Law gave me a full ride and a stipend, and I turned them down, though I love Cleveland.
     
  8. Kid Nickels

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    :puzzled: r u serious? you must be f'g w/ me!
     
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    LB, you are a savvy fellow, no doubt, but its annoying that you try to make a point at every mother fucking turn. hustle indeed :lol:
     
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    No doubt. I've been looking up numbers reported by firms rather than schools.

    19 students out of a class of about 80 for the graduating 2012 class landed clerkships from UCI. They've gotta be doing something right.
     
  11. Kid Nickels

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    with UCI's provisional accreditation, what will this mean for graduates in the coming years before they are fully accredited? numbers and such look good so far, but it is a bit of a risk no?
     
  12. Huntsman

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    I am always serious.

    Cleveland has exactly the things I need: Nearby water (I have a boat), incredible culinary scene (Lola, the West Side Market, and the best cocktail bar on the plant), great culture and arts involvement by the populace (Cleveland Orchestra, the CMA, Parade the Circle, the INgenuity festival), a neighborhood I love (Ohio City -- I know what street I'd want to live on), and Ohio's typical incredible interior spaces (even though they are not the greatest draw anymore, like the incredible Arcade), great men's stores (Cuffs in Chagrin Falls). I can name a LOT of other things I love about Cleveland, too, but am short on time.

    There's only one problem: the winter can really suck. That, and family stuff keeps me from residing there.

    ~ H

     
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    Loved all of those and can't wait to get back. Is Light Bistro still there?
     
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    Definitely a risk. Not having an alumni network is definitely scary but I feel the school understands this and is trying their best to help current students out. First graduating class is this year so I'll keep an eye on how many have guaranteed jobs before the summer. COL is pretty low in Irvine but could be non-existent if I stay around San Francisco and live with my parents.
     
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    COL is low in Irvine? I'm not from Cali so I don't know but I've read that OC in general is pretty $$$. agree/disagree, comments?
     
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    The clerkship numbers mean that Chemerinsky and his faculty are hitting up every judge they know to try to place their first class of students in clerkships. That same kind of campaign will not work every year and runs on a totally different kind of network than getting people into private sector jobs. Also, the people who land clerkships are likely most of the same ones whose resumes will be most attractive to biglaw--query where the bottom of the class is going to land.

    That high of a clerkship offer rate is really impressive but doesn't guarantee that the second or later classes will do as well. Nor does it mean everyone is going to get to get cream of the crop permanent employment offers.
     
  17. Kid Nickels

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    there was an interesting little piece on NPR "All Things Considered" today... talking about various students who were "deceived" by the school's employment statistics. The funny part was when they mentioned that she graduated from New York Law! well... I'll be damned... you got a 154 on the LSAT, went to NY Law and can't find a job... go figure! :lol:
     
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    I suspected as much. Conjecture or are you studying at UCI? I figured in the first year or two, faculty will be using all of their connections to land jobs for students. I'm hoping it carries over into their 4th class.

    About Irvine's COL, I compared that to other large metro areas, like Bay Area/ DC. I think it's cheaper than San Diego as well, which is my UG.
     
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  19. Kid Nickels

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    cheaper than SD...? UCSD or USD? hmmm... how does it compare to LA in general... like Westwood (UCLA) or USC area?
     
  20. ConcernedParent

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    CoL around UCSD (La Jolla) is very expensive; same with Westwood. USC is at the northern fringe of South Central... which is probably the roughest hood in all of LAC; l imagine living there would not be very expensive, but on the other hand I'm pretty sure professional/graduate students would much prefer to live elsewhere and commute.
     

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