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Late Beethoven Thread

Discussion in 'Entertainment, Culture, and Sports' started by Manton, Nov 4, 2009.

  1. A Y

    A Y Senior member

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    Or Zurich/Zinman for the HIP style, but without all the fussiness and ancient creaking instruments.

    For Karajan, his 1963 set is much, much better than his later efforts.

    --Andre
     
  2. SField

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    Or Zurich/Zinman for the HIP style, but without all the fussiness and ancient creaking instruments.

    For Karajan, his 1963 set is much, much better than his later efforts.

    --Andre


    O hey yah I'm not saying I'm into an entire orchestra of period instruments and no vibrato like Norrington. I'm just saying I don't like hearing people slide all over the place and taking liberties with his markings.
     
  3. Artisan Fan

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    Manton,

    If you have not experienced classical on SACD, go to Costco and drop a paltry $130 on a Sony S570 Bluray player. Late Beethoven on Super Audio is a revelation.

    Also, check out this disc:

    BEETHOVEN: The ‘Late’ String Quartets (Nos. 12 thru 16) - Tokyo String Quartet - Harmonia mundi multichannel SACD (3 discs) HMU 807481.83

    Very nice performances.
     
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    What is the technical characterization of Furtwängler 9th recordings? I see them held in very high esteem, but I can't get over the sound quality.

    The SACDs sound better than the CDs but they are expensive imports from Japan.
     
  5. Artisan Fan

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    These are favorites.

    Diabelli Variations, Op. 120
    Missa Solemnis, Op. 123
     
  6. Artisan Fan

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    His late Sonatas are pinnacles, for me.

    My buddy, Bob Silverman recently recorded the Diabellis. He gave us a private concert and lecture before the recording. I think you would have enjoyed it. A difficult work, but he explained it so beautifully. His playing is tremendous.

    Try to hear Gunter Wand's Beethoven 9. An amazing recording. He brings out so much of the counterpoint that other famous recordings miss.

    I just got the Amadeus Quartets on the 111 Years of DGG (7 Gigs/730 tracks) that iTunes Canada priced mistakenly for $9.99! Corrected to $119.99 later! [​IMG] The leader was a prick, but their playing is outstanding. [​IMG]


    Silverman is superb. I have heard him play twice. Also great is his Isomike set of Mozart.
     
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    O hey yah I'm not saying I'm into an entire orchestra of period instruments and no vibrato like Norrington. I'm just saying I don't like hearing people slide all over the place and taking liberties with his markings.

    Yeah, portamenti I tend to associate with early 1900s European conductors like Mengelberg. It's great in Mahler. It'd be weird in Beethoven. Not a fran of Norrington, but I like Gardiner.

    If you have not experienced classical on SACD, go to Costco and drop a paltry $130 on a Sony S570 Bluray player. Late Beethoven on Super Audio is a revelation.

    The SACDs sound better than the CDs but they are expensive imports from Japan.

    OJFC dude.

    --Andre
     
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    OJFC dude.

    [​IMG]
     
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    Another recommendation is to check out Gary Cooper's versions on Channel Classics. Quite good imho.
     
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    The Y part all have all instruments playing half notes in harmonic and rhythmic unison. I found a neat youtube in which you can hear them sped up. It's hard to hear the melody when you listen to the quartet as written. When it's sped up a little, the Y parts sound very hymnal, like a medieval or renaissance chant. Y ultimately is the core theme of the piece as we shall see in the third A section.

    Great video for understanding this:
    http://med.stanford.edu/medcast/2007...-medicine.html
     
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    Silverman is superb. I have heard him play twice. Also great is his Isomike set of Mozart.

    He's at my place on Saturday. Wine and lunch. Come over.

    Manton's not invited. He digs on The Lindsays.! [​IMG]
     
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    He's at my place on Saturday. Wine and lunch. Come over.

    Manton's not invited. He digs on The Lindsays.! [​IMG]


    I would love to. Wish I was closer to Toronto.
     
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    Saw Pacifica Quartet do 132 last night... really stunning. I think they're the best active quartet currently.
     
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    Saw Pacifica Quartet do 132 last night... really stunning. I think they're the best active quartet currently.

    I have seen the Fry Street Quartet perform recently and they are superb as well.
     
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    No love yet for Op. 109 Mvt. 3...

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    mneh - still hung up on Op 111. the Pizarros have developed into my favorite, though I just this week received the Richter disc I'd ordered in (ahem) June - and it's good but typical of live performances in being rushed at strange times. The finale of Op 110 is thoroughly wonderful, though.
     

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