Kilgour coming to US

[discostu004]

i don't know if any of youse guys are on their mailing list but they send me notices and swatches all the time, and they're coming to:
NYC 2/7 and 2/8 The Barclay
Washington 2/9 The JEfferson
West Palm Beach 2/10 The Colony Hotel
Houston 2/11 St. Regis
Dallas 2/12 The Crescent
LA 2/14 and 2/15 Reg Bev Wilshire
SF 2/16 and 2/17 The Mark Hopkins
Chicago 2/18 The Drake
Boston 2/21 Ritz
NYC 2/22 and 2/24 The Barclay

they're touting their new Escorial wool and they'll make a suit for 4680US

just an fyi

 

[ChanFan]

How would compare Kilgou in terms of cut and quality to the other shops on Savile Row?

 

[chorse123]

Slightly off topic, but I was walking down the Row this week and saw a guilty looking man up the block from Kilgour with about three dozen large boxes marked "Men's suits - two piece." They were going to Kilgour. They were from China.

I know they have their entry bespoke, blah blah blah. Still a bit of a sight.

 

[Concordia]

How would compare Kilgour in terms of cut and quality to the other shops on Savile Row?

Quality and price are high.

Favors a very structured look that is not inordinately stiff.  Long-ish lapels and high gorge on 2-button jackets, creating the illusion of height and elegance.  Their website gives a decent idea.

And the suits from China are really good.  I got a dinner suit that way to play concerts in; it was considerably better than what I've seen from the best Hong Kong tailors, and it was cut by the staff in London.

 

[RJman]

I also wonder if their RTW is made in China.  They aren't clear on that topic.  

For a UK made Kilgour suit you will pay $5000.  They start at 2700 pounds.

Their Chinese made suits are about 2000 dollars with NO fittings, about 2500 if you want one fitting.

 

[LA Guy]

And the suits from China are really good. I got a dinner suit that way to play concerts in; it was considerably better than what I've seen from the best Hong Kong tailors, and it was cut by the staff in London.

Shanghai Bespoke is on the money. Skilled Chinese labour under English direction and supervision. Terrific product for half the price. Skilled cutters are rarer and rarer on the Row, and it is better than my suit be made by some talented and teachable Chinese dude with good work ethic than by Enlish schlub who doesn't actually like his work. Besides, more and more of the Made in England/Italy/USA products are being made by immigrant workers from places like China, Sri Lanka, and Mexico anyway.

 

[Manton]

Their Chinese made suits are about 2000 dollars with NO fittings, about 2500 if you want one fitting.

I don't think it's fair to say NO fittings. Â You get fittings, just not a basted fitting. Â That requires that the suit make an extra round-trip between London and Shanghai, to say nothing of the extra work. Â I won't argue that you're just as likely to get a suit that fits well without a basted fitting as with one. Â It's possible, but it's not likely. Â All in all, I always prefer basted fittings. Â But the Kilgour suit is a pretty good deal, even without the basted fitting.

 

[johnapril]

Manton,

Were I in Chicago at the time (2/18 at the Drake), would it be better to deal with Oxxford or Kilgour?

JA

 

[Manton]

Were I in Chicago at the time (2/18 at the Drake), would it be better to deal with Oxxford or Kilgour?

Depends. I like the Kilgour silhouette better. But Oxxford will give you more bang for the buck: more handwork, higher overall qualily than the Shanghai suit, better proximity for fittings, and fewer steps and middlemen, and
a greater chance that everything will turn out well.

Kilgour cuts a "younger" suit. Oxxford -- despite recent attempts to smarten up its look -- is still a little dowdy to my eye.

 

[Concordia]

What is the Chicago price for Oxxford bespoke? In Boston, it's almost as high as Kilgour (London) bespoke and a lot more than the cost of the Kilgour (Shanghai) model.

 

[Manton]

Really?.? I thought it was around $2,200.

 

[Concordia]

Maybe OTR at Saks or elsewhere.

Louis Bespoke starts not far from $3,000 and climbs up above $4K. You get 3 fittings for this. Don't know where other MTM outlets price it.

 

[FCS]

Does anyone know whether they outsource the works in China or they own their own operation?

 

[von Rothbart]

they're touting their new Escorial wool and they'll make a suit for 4680US

I thought Brioni had exclusive on Escorial wool for suits. Who else uses Escorial wool?

 

[uriahheep]

I thought Brioni had exclusive on Escorial wool for suits. Who else uses Escorial wool?

Oxxford uses Escorial for some of its suits, both RTW and MTM. Brioni had an exclusive on the Escorial label for tailored clothing - no longer, I believe. Oxxford has used Escorial for probably at least a year now. Oxxford and others could actually use Escorial, but just couldn't put an Escorial label inside their suits at the time.