Manton, Haven't you recently said that you own 1 Kabbaz shirt? If I said that, it would have to have been a long time ago. I got a few more, and have stopped. Possibly forever, but never say never. Well, this would not be a particularly good measure of the quality of the shirtmaker, because in principle any maker can get any fabric. The base price is now $750, but I'm sure they go up to $1,000 or more. I never ordered 200s (his most expensive cloth). I ordered one 170s.