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Johnston & Murphy - how long have they been bad?

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Daytona John, Aug 14, 2007.

  1. Daytona John

    Daytona John Active Member

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    My general perception from the online sartorial community is that J&M shoes are to be avoided. At what point did J&M "jump the shark"? I assume a change in ownership of the company caused this? Are there any pockets of their production which still earn the respect of this community?
     
  2. NoVaguy

    NoVaguy Senior member

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    Since whenever they closed down their last USA factory.
     
  3. Daytona John

    Daytona John Active Member

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    Since whenever they closed down their last USA factory.


    Wow...they no longer have any USA production? Made in Mexico or other 3rd world country now?

    What about their "made in Italy" models? Are they any better?
     
  4. AlSailor

    AlSailor Senior member

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    J & M still has a U.S. factory for their Crown Aristocraft shoes, at least allegedly.
     
  5. TCN

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    I thought the aristocrafts were still US made, but nothing else. Plus, re: the aristocrafts, I'd rather go with AE than J&M. Their Italian wares that I tried (and I confess that I haven't tried anything since about 2001), were really bad, even given the modest price.

    Too bad, I guess J&M's used to be great shoes (from what my father tells me). Now, their products and stores are kind of cheesy and second-rate. :-(
     
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    I thought the aristocrafts were still US made, but nothing else. Plus, re: the aristocrafts, I'd rather go with AE than J&M. Their Italian wares that I tried (and I confess that I haven't tried anything since about 2001), were really bad, even given the modest price.

    Too bad, I guess J&M's used to be great shoes (from what my father tells me). Now, their products and stores are kind of cheesy and second-rate. :-(


    It's a mall brand; I mean how good can it possibly be?

    Jon.
     
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    I don't know the specific years, but their vintage Aristocrafts are great value. Just check if they say Aristocraft, they are welted soles, nailed heels, full grain leather. They usually sell for $50 or far less.
     
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    It's a mall brand; I mean how good can it possibly be?

    Jon.



    Hey, watch it. If it weren't for mall brands, how would we know the suit was back!?!?!?!?!
     
  9. tonylumpkin

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    This pair of J&M Crown Aristocraft captoes I picked up at the thrift store last week compare favorably with any of my AEs. They are marked handcrafted in the USA so they may still be making them here or made these prior to moving production elsewhere.

    http://styleforum.net/showpost.php?p...postcount=1093
     
  10. AlSailor

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    As far as I know, Aristocrafts are not made in the U.S. anymore, only the Crown Aristocrafts are.
     
  11. JLibourel

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    I have heard it claimed in these fora that what really "killed" J&M was the opening of the Saturn factory in 1990--that they found it almost impossible to compete for semi-skilled manufacturing labor in the area.

    Some forumites have claimed that the high-end J&M shoes were better than anything A-E or Alden ever produced. I don't know if that dictum applies only to their ultra-expensive handmades or to their less pricey offerings as well.

    My wife told me that her first husband considered he had really "made it" when he could afford J&M shoes. He died in 1988, shortly before J&M's decline began.
     
  12. Daytona John

    Daytona John Active Member

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    Interesting information folks - I'll keep it mind as I troll ebay. [​IMG]
     
  13. imageWIS

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    Hey, watch it. If it weren't for mall brands, how would we know the suit was back!?!?!?!?!

    LMAO [​IMG]

    Jon.
     
  14. shoefan

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    J & M still has a U.S. factory for their Crown Aristocraft shoes, at least allegedly.
    I believe these are still made in the USA, but not in a J&M plant. They closed down their last US facility in 2002 -- check the Genesco (J&M's parent) SEC filings for confirmation. I guess they are outsourcing them from either A&E (my guess), Alden or perhaps Footjoy.
     
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    When they started using Lyle Lovitt as a poster boy.
     
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    This pair of J&M Crown Aristocraft captoes I picked up at the thrift store last week compare favorably with any of my AEs. They are marked handcrafted in the USA so they may still be making them here or made these prior to moving production elsewhere.

    http://styleforum.net/showpost.php?p...postcount=1093



    I picked these Aristocraft spades soles up off eBay but the seller misdescribed them as 11D when they had "C" inside the wall[​IMG] . Gutted I was! I tried stretching them but they ended up a snug 10.5 tops. Not big enough I liked them so much I hoped to copy same. [​IMG]
     
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    Some forumites have claimed that the high-end J&M shoes were better than anything A-E or Alden ever produced. I don't know if that dictum applies only to their ultra-expensive handmades or to their less pricey offerings as well.


    Perhaps the Handmades [​IMG] , but I wouldn't say their Aristocrafts or Crown Aristocrafts were. I have some vintage ones, and they're lovely shoes, but not better than AE or (I would believe) Alden. I'd say they were probably as good.
     

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