I recently discovered two pairs J&M oxfords from, oh, about 10 years ago in my attic, pretty much unworn. They are Optima's. They unfortunately have that shiny leather (corrected-grain?). But they are Goodyear-welted I think, and are extremely comfortable. They also appear to be very sturdy (the stitching is really tightly done) and the build-quality seems to far exceed the Loake 1880/CT shoes I recently bought. They appear to be far better made the current crop of J&M I see, for sure. Knowing what I know now, I wish I had bought them in better quality leather. The styling of the two pairs I own are classic, and would be more than serviceable. But, heck, I didn't know jack about shoes 1 year ago, let alone 10 years ago (now, I dare not wear corrected grain shoes lest someone from Styleforum see me walking around in them and go "Eeeoooh, corrected grain shoes!). BTW, I do have one quick question about shoe leather material. How does one tell apart from Cordovan Shell and corrected grain, especially though a picture on the web, when there is no description?