Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by dddrees, Feb 22, 2013.
In my opinion and many others they are...
Would really like to see how many would choose a 180 Weston over John Lobb Lopez based solely on look.
The 180 is an icon model and pure legend..
.......and the epitome of BCBG!
Your view on that particular battle?
180 vs Lopez
I probably come down on the side of the 180. I hate 'elegant' loafers.
Not that the "Lopez" is such a precious little number. It has a decent-sized apron. I hate tiny aprons, long toe type of loafers.
I tend to stay away from those 'elegant' loafers as well. So none of those Corthay or G&G stuff.
I like Lopez style more; I don't like the position of 180's apron.
Of the two, I would vote Lopez. But there are other JL loafers I prefer to the Lopez.
I might lose that one but we're on a JL appreciation page..
Does anyone know if John Lobb accepts return because of a defect on MTO shoes? I got a pair but the stitching from right to left pair wasn't lined properly, enough to make a difference in my eye. Paying $1900 for shoes to find out its not up to par feels disappointing. I know from hand made items there will be flaws, but should I accept it? Or return it and wait another 5 months.
I've returned MTO shoes with a defect. I did a MTO from Neiman Marcus for some monkstraps. After about 5 wears, the leather tore. The tear was less than 1cm big. I told my SA at NM and he got me a replacement pair.
Made-to-order doesn't mean the shoe is hand made, or hand lasted, or...if it came fro a company manufacturing RTW shoes...that anything was done differently except the prep on the last and perhaps a swap out of leathers.
So discrepancies should not be tolerated anymore than they would be tolerated in RTW.
Having said that, yes, a manufactured shoe may be more consistent in terms of stitching and the like...after all a machine is doing the work and machines aren't subject to the frailties of humans. But just because something is handmade doesn't mean it's going to have flaws as a matter of course. Hand makers try very hard to avoid those flaws--it's not a given, IOW. And hand makers have more to lose if they pass off deeply flawed work.
In any case, I'd return them.
I took it to a cobbler who told me it was miss stitched and he refused to work on it and told me to return it. There is a crease you can see. It's not really noticeable and most may never notice it but I notice it and when I flex my foot ankle it somewhat becomes more noticeable. From what Im told and what I see, there is a gap between the seam and the overlapping leather. Even though it would be ok to wear, I don't want to have problems down the line, seeing the leather can stretch. The other pair is not like this.
I know I'm being a stuck up now, the stiching is not even. I know I'm nitpicking here, But looking at the shoes live its more noticeable. And once you notice it is the only thing you notice.
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