Discussion in 'Streetwear and Denim' started by JOHN ELLIOTT, Apr 10, 2013.
Except when we do wait for a discount (aka Spring app), they remove their items from the sale
It is kinda funny everyone complaining...it totally makes sense for the brand, spring does not "eat" the 25%. They probably get a percentage of the sale just for facilitating the sale. I would also think that spring gets a higher percentage of items sold at full price. It's smart for JE to not be on there bc people buy their stuff anyway. They don't need to discount most of it. If they stayed on there with their newly released items, people would only buy them on sale eventually. It's smart business for them to not be on there. Very popular, highly sought after brands don't benefit from putting their stuff on sale. However I don't agree with them pulling out early. If they made an agreement to do the sale they should stick it out and then cut ties with spring once it's done.
The prices are high, if they are too high for you then that sucks. Truly.
But John Elliott really have no obligation to offer any thing for a price lower than they want to. Plenty of designers tell retailers to exclude them from sales and plenty more put a cap on their allowable discounts at around 20%.
On another note, there's a few other dope brands on Spring that the 25% works on just fine and more designers being added all the time (Geller's denim line and Rick mainline coming soon), the men's side of Spring is barely a year old.
These finally came in. The flash dual in midnight looks amazing and in olive it will be great for this FW. Olive kitos are just as expected. Dune escobars are sick. Wish they'd do kitos of them as well.
I'll be sticking to their terry products and tees until they do have a promo on their site (hopefully Black Friday), other products are too rich for my blood at the moment. Really eyeing the 41 over shirt as well as the padded overshirt
They prob removed the Spring discount so people wouldn't be expecting like 40% discount for black friday which might in turn make less people buy stuff during black friday. Just like how they stopped doing their SF -%.
they used to do like a 10% styleforum code im pretty sure
People who buy multiple pairs of $200 sweatpants and full zip hoodies crying about prices increases? Lmao. Designer clothes are not made for the general public. If you can't afford the new stuff you can wait for sales or buy cheaper clothes no one is forcing you to buy anything. Part of the appeal of designer clothing is the exclusivity which means prices will go up unfortunately. But I rather not wear something that everyone has access to tbh.
The thing about JE is No one knows it's JE, not like there's a big logo.
Which I love. All that I'd rather everybody not have it is just hoopla
Everybody can have the clothes but everyone can't put them together as well as other folk. That's the true magic. The dressing and the personal styling.
New trend in this thread gonna be being attacked for posting my new JE purchase and for simply stating that I'll be waiting out for some sales. Think I'll refrain from posting any pics anymore.
Perfectly and eloquently stated.
^^^^Those nude Escos look great. I need to get myself a pair of those. Hopefully, there will be some more Nude tops for the Fall.
Just gonna jump into the fray for a second here because people are talking about prices going up. They haven't. The basic items they had when they first launched - Escobars, cotton / modal blend tees, terry sweatshirts - all cost approximately or maybe even exactly the same as they used to (the scar tank is more than it was in their first season, but it's been redesigned and looks a little more complex). I'm not even totally clear on how they're doing it, since labor, materials, and shipping costs generally don't go anywhere but up, particularly in the US. They're not a huge company, so even with their recent success it's not like they can realize economies of scale and place massive orders for their custom fabrics.
What's changed is that they're expanding the product line, and the new items cost more to make - and therefore to buy - than the old ones. The costs have to be covered, let's say that the minimum markup from at-cost to wholesale is 100% plus maybe another 100% markup from wholesale to retail (I'm making these numbers up, but I'm pretty sure it's at least that much and probably a good bit more). That may seem like a lot, but it's necessary if brands want to actually turn a profit. It's all well and good to say that designers should be doing things for the sake of art or some bullshit like that, but I feel pretty confident that the vast, vast, vast majority of us wouldn't be at our current jobs if they didn't pay us, and presumably that holds true for everyone involved with JE+Co as well.
Here's where the consumer comes in. Most of us - apologies for the broad generalization - have some disposable income but aren't actually rich per se. So if a t-shirt that costs $16 to make is $64 at retail, that's a little more than we'd usually spend on a t-shirt, but it's not a huge financial burden; we can still buy groceries, pay rent or mortgage payments, whatever. It's like buying your coffee from some place that does fancy hand pours and Aeropress and all that stuff instead of just getting a cup from Dunkin' Donuts. Yeah it costs more, and is clearly a somewhat of a luxury, but it's a small one and not a significant economic burden. A pair of sweatpants that costs $45 to make getting marked up to $180, that's a little steeper. It's definitely a luxury - and let's face it, maybe a little ridiculous - but it's not inconceivable in the grand scheme of purchases. Maybe it's a little more of a planned purchase than an impulse buy, and it affects how you're going to allocate the rest of your discretionary spending for the month. Maybe you don't go out to the bars or out to dinner for a couple of nights that month. It's maybe comparable to a tasting menu at a restaurant you like; you're not going to do it all the time, but if you're into food and all that, it may be worth it to you.
Enter the jacket that costs $200 to make. This is high but not unreasonable depending on the materials, hardware, and hours of oh-so-expensive American labor that go into it. The same principles apply, but the face of the consumer changes considerably at an $800 retail price point. Now you've gone from attainable luxury to just plain luxury. The same principals and markups apply, but the retail cost scales with the base cost to produce. Someone who pulls in $500k / year can purchase that jacket without blinking, but most people can't.
tl; dr - JE+Co isn't raising prices; they're just producing additional goods at prices that you can't afford.
Notwithit elevating the thinking in this thread out of sight. A nice break from the usual level of discourse.
I agree on most of that except the overshirt. I bought the black/grey when it first released for $330 i believe. The same one now costs $375 with suede instead of leather. I may not know too much about designing/materials and such but i know enough that, that little suede patch shouldnt cost $45 more than the leather one.
Lets keep it real. The demand is higher therefore they can adjust prices as such. Its business i get it. Im not mad at that at all. The new stuff like the Boucle sweats are dope as F&^% actually. Its priced out of my range but whoever can afford them, good on them. It just ticked me off a bit when they pulled their line in the middle of the promotion. It wasnt like the whole entire order was 25% off. Still rockin with JE though. Still my fav brand. And the customer service is phenomenal by the way.
The overshirt is actually a wool blend now. I don't think that was the case last year.
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