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Thatguyjlar

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Yea Need was hit hard on IG comments. I didn't think their post was bad either. I agree on working retail, they don't treat employees well in general and you get commission in selling stuff so it incentivizes you to be helpful with customers. While some managers might be racist IME employees were treated equally badly irregardless of skin color.

I don't know their finances but I don't think Need was killing it financially even before the pandemic. To expect a company to donate to the cause isn't right, it's not like they're making tens or hundreds of millions of dollars in profit like big stores/brands. To me it's a case of people bitching and whining on social media.
for real. Systemic racism, inequality and injustice is embedded in the very core of this nation’s history and present. It’s despicable and it needs to end. But some piece of human trash cops murder a man in cold blood and people are mad a clothing store isn’t doing enough? Maybe it’s an educational deficiency on my part (please correct me if so), but what could anyone have reasonably expected from them, honestly? I mean hell, as much as I love JE, a part of me can’t help but feel like this whole 25% off and 10% to UCLA is (in part) a way to increase sells and avoid offering returns to stay afloat during this pandemic. No shade intended, just my subjective speculation. Hopefully anyone who’s outraged (and you should be) spends that energy going to the voting booth, volunteering with campaigns, protesting, making calls, donating your own money, etc.
 
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Yea Need was hit hard on IG comments. I didn't think their post was bad either. I agree on working retail, they don't treat employees well in general and you get commission in selling stuff so it incentivizes you to be helpful with customers. While some managers might be racist IME employees were treated equally badly irregardless of skin color.

I don't know their finances but I don't think Need was killing it financially even before the pandemic. To expect a company to donate to the cause isn't right, it's not like they're making tens or hundreds of millions of dollars in profit like big stores/brands. To me it's a case of people bitching and whining on social media.
Many have an exaggerated sense of how much businesses actually make. That a company sells a lot of luxury goods doesn't mean that it's making much profit. When you work retail for a struggling store or company, sometimes how many sales you make determines whether you keep your job.

I feel uncomfortable being followed around stores because I don't know if they're following to genuinely help or if they're checking if I'm about to steal. Much of my social anxiety plays into that. It gets me paranoid, but when I step out of the store, I think realistically and remember that these are underpaid employees being forced to make a sale to keep their jobs. Whether or not the company gets stolen from doesn't really concern them because they personally don't lose any money from that.

Because I have social anxiety, I'd rather shop online. Hell, I'd be hesitant to even step inside the JE store because it's essentially a luxury brand and I'm not confident or good-looking enough to be there. Truth is the employees probably don't care all that much.

In cases where employees cater to only white, dressed-up individuals while ignoring all others, THAT is racism and elitism. They're basically assuming only white, dressed-up people can afford to purchase from their store, so they spend more time on them, hoping to make a sale.
 

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In cases where employees cater to only white, dressed-up individuals while ignoring all others, THAT is racism and elitism. They're basically assuming only white, dressed-up people can afford to purchase from their store, so they spend more time on them, hoping to make a sale.
...and if you spend "too much time" following non-whites around then you're racist because you're expecting them to steal, so either way really you're racist!
 

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for real. Systematic racism, inequality and injustice is embedded in the very core of this nation’s history and present. It’s despicable and it needs to end. But some piece of human trash cops murder a man in cold blood and people are mad a clothing store isn’t doing enough? Maybe it’s an educational deficiency on my part (please correct me if so), but what could anyone have reasonably expected from them, honestly? I mean hell, as much as I love JE, a part of me can’t help but feel like this whole 25% off and 10% to UCLA is (in part) a way to increase sells and avoid offering returns to stay afloat during this pandemic. No shade intended, just my subjective speculation. Hopefully anyone who’s outraged (and you should be) spends that energy going to the voting booth, volunteering with campaigns, protesting, making calls, donating your own money, etc.
Then, there's also that 15% pledge to make sure 15% of all products on shelves are from black-owned companies. I absolutely understand the initiative and I respect it, but some people see that and say "Why not more?" or "Why weren't you doing this already?" If you don't announce you're doing it, you get called out for it. If you DO announce it, they still find something to say.

At the end of the day, it's not that hard. If you've always been treating others as you'd like to be treated, you have nothing to worry about. It doesn't matter what race you are. You respect me and I'll respect you. It's a social contract. This social media trend of publicly announcing what you're doing and having people assume what you are/aren't doing has gotten toxic.
 

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It's hard to "win" on social media. Some people will always find a way to criticize you whether you post on the matter (case in point Need Supply) or not. (other companies criticized for not using their voice for the cause) That's why I don't have any personal social media accounts but I understand why stores/brands do as it is a great marketing tool.

I do agree that racism, inequality, and injustice are part of the nation but I also feel there is more to it than police brutality. Yes it needs to be addressed but so do issues in the community. That's why I'm a fan of the Big Brother program. A close friend of mine was a Big Brother to a kid coming from a single parent home. He would sit with him and help him with his homework. His mom was too busy working to be able to do this. Long story short, he got the kid into college (he was the first in his family!) and now the guy is doing well. They still chat a couple times a year though it's harder now as my friend has a family. I encourage anyone who has time/knowledge to do the same. I don't because of lack of time with a baby and I think it'd be weird for a late 30s guy to be a Big Brother. :p
 

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Then, there's also that 15% pledge to make sure 15% of all products on shelves are from black-owned companies. I absolutely understand the initiative and I respect it, but some people see that and say "Why not more?" or "Why weren't you doing this already?" If you don't announce you're doing it, you get called out for it. If you DO announce it, they still find something to say.

At the end of the day, it's not that hard. If you've always been treating others as you'd like to be treated, you have nothing to worry about. It doesn't matter what race you are. You respect me and I'll respect you. It's a social contract. This social media trend of publicly announcing what you're doing and having people assume what you are/aren't doing has gotten toxic.
100. It seems most all this corporate altruism is a CYA measure with capitalistic intentions. Genuine change comes from authentic, individual concern and compassion for all those who need it.
 

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I’ve been wearing those about two weeks now. Starting to fade nicely already. Stretching out like crazy.
stretching around waist? or legs? or everywhere? lol
I sized up because the official page recommended it but waist is quite loose (leg is tighter than what I want though), I'd hate that to stretch even further
 

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stretching around waist? or legs? or everywhere? lol
I sized up because the official page recommended it but waist is quite loose (leg is tighter than what I want though), I'd hate that to stretch even further
I went with 29, which I wear in everything, skin tight at first. Now the waist has stretched 2-3 inches and the rest is bagging out pretty much universally. They haven’t stretched out as badly as obsidians did, I had to just cut my losses and sell those because they kept falling down. Depending on how you like yours to fit, you may be good. I like mine to be pretty tight, like they used to model them a couple years back before they started sizing everything up in ecomm shots.
 

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I went with 29, which I wear in everything, skin tight at first. Now the waist has stretched 2-3 inches and the rest is bagging out pretty much universally. They haven’t stretched out as badly as obsidians did, I had to just cut my losses and sell those because they kept falling down. Depending on how you like yours to fit, you may be good. I like mine to be pretty tight, like they used to model them a couple years back before they started sizing everything up in ecomm shots.
gotcha. might have to brace myself for some belt wearing then..
 

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I never really understood this, what do you all have against wearing a belt?
90% of my bottoms fit without the need for a belt but I still wear a belt anyways just so that they don’t slide down when I bend down, get in and out of a booth, sit up on a bar stool, etc.
I find when pants stretch in the waist is when I don’t wear a belt and they slide down just enough so when you sit it stretches because now you’re on the waistband more.
A belt legit adds little to no extra weight or bulk, you can’t see it 99% of the time, and it’s not uncomfortable.
 

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Just got the raws off the clothesline, so it’s time for an update. 15-16ish months and I don’t even remember how many washes anymore. Crotch hole forming; this is the longest I’ve had a pair of raws without a blowout. Right pocket just about completely separated and unusable. Left pocket has a hole inside and untrustworthy. These jeans are dope, but quickly becoming unwearable. Deciding whether to repair or just let them get more busted. 10/10 would cop again.
Do you own the Canyons or Spruce? Been wearing mine but would love to see other people's pairs and see if any fades have developed yet. Mine still look new.
 

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