Jobs in China.

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  1. vimkgt

    vimkgt Active Member

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    What kind of industry are you looking at? I'm an American Chinese guy who just started working in Beijing two years ago, in the IT industry (Business Intelligence).

    Let me just say that being a foreigner who speaks English natively is not going as big an advantage as it used to be, unless you really want to teach English. You will be competing with locals for jobs, and Chinese people are natural born hustlers. Lack of Chinese speaking ability is probably going to hurt you more than native English speaking skills will help, so you will probably only be able to find some niche companies who only deal with foreign MNC's.

    Otherwise, the job market in China is great right now. It's a developing country, so you will have tons of opportunities at every corner if you know how to network and market yourself. The pay is lower than in the US (remember what I said above, you are competing with locals. It's not like 15 or even 10 years ago when every foreigner in China was an older gent in a high level C-level or VP level position, right now there are loads of younger guys like me flooding into China looking for work), but taxes and basic cost of living is lower.

    Hot industries right now would be marketing, social/digital media, and anything related to data and analytics. Automotive is also really hot in China right now but it will probably start dying down soon due to government regulation and far too much traffic.

    And from a SF member perspective, China really sucks for shopping. I wait to go to the US to do almost all my shopping. The only good things I can get in Beijing are cheap MTM shirts for like $15 a piece and MTM handmade shoes for around $150-200. The shoes are of good construction but they use lower quality leather than entry level Allan Edmonds for instance, and higher quality materials aren't available. The MTM suits you see in the foreigner areas are of pretty poor quality so I wouldn't bother. Brand name stuff is a lot more expensive in China than in the USA, and even worse since salaries are lower. Plus it's hard to find more quality brands, since everyone here believes that if you pay a lot of money, you should get a big designer label as well.
     


  2. Eason

    Eason Bicurious Racist

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    There was one Chinese brand I actually liked. It was partially made in Italy and called Bosa Magine. It was way overpriced and couldn't fit my frame, but I really liked the aesthetic.
     


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    Kai Senior member

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    Learn English grammar. (There's no apostrophe in the plural form of "job." It's "jobs" not "job's."
     


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    Partially made in Italy? Or a mainland Chinese menswear company called Beijing Betenly Fashion Co. Ltd. that's pretending to be Italian, and there's plenty of those around.
     
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  5. Eason

    Eason Bicurious Racist

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    The clothes were tagged made in italy
     


  6. MikeDT

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    I've seen that as well, on clothing from Chinese apparel companies that are sold in China.

    BTW don't become too obsessed with "Made in Italy", could become another Hermes Man. :spew:
     
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  7. FLMountainMan

    FLMountainMan White Hispanic

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    I thought Job preferred fiesta ware.

    I hate myself for typing that.
     


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    It's very easy to get a job in China, my friend with terrible verbal skills was able to get a year long job (where they paid for his flight, housing, food stipend, and salary) easily.

    They practically begged him to take the job.
     


  9. MikeDT

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    Was he able to get a Z visa, or was he working illegally?
     


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    He was able to get his visa, his company paid for that as well. He seemed to enjoy himself in China and enjoyed his experience.
     


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    Jr Mouse Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Curious about what your take here is to have said this.

    Old high-school buddy and former roommate has been teaching English in Beijing for over 5 years. I'm sure you are right about it being a black-hole on the resume... He's a smart guy, but the Hell if I know how he's going to get a well paying job when he returns.

    OP, FWIW I don't think he had any trouble getting the job.

    EDIT: One thing I did notice was a lot of people were there secretly preaching the Gospel and trying to "save souls." I know that my old friend does this and one of his roommates commented on the same thing about many of the English teachers from the US that he has known.
     
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  12. crispeta

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    Can you provide timing and type of job/ industry to better understand perspective.

    I have friends (Westerners) who moved to China shortly after undergrad, settled, still live happy (obviously all relative) life. However, there initial move was years ago..
     


  13. Eason

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    There are obviously exceptions to my generalizations (I know a couple very brilliant and inspiring individuals from when I worked in Beijing who could be successful anywhere in the world who have Chinese wives now and are staying in China for the long term) but I'll share my logic. I'm sure I'll catch flak for this from some people who disagree but I stand by my assertions. Basically, I feel that there has to be something wrong with somebody for them to like living in China. Because China relative most countries sucks politically, environmentally, professionally, and sometimes socially (a friend of mine had some chinaman spit on her for an entire bus-ride until she got off in Zhu Hai, pity I wasn't there at the time) there has to be something that they can do in China that they can't do back at home. Ignoring people there temporarily for the experience, MOST of the people there for a number of years match one or more of the following: For many people it's that they can have a job which doesn't require much work and pays for their alcoholism, drinking from the time they finish their classes until late in the night. Or there are the sexpats in their 30's-40's who quit their careers in the US/Canada/UK/Australia so they could fuck their students or hire underage prostitutes (my first night in Zhu Hai I saw some guy walking home with a girl who couldn't have been older than 14, he was in his 60's at least and all his friends were cheering him). Some of them run away from their responsibilities at home like estranged children/ex-wives and want to act like a kid again, so you see a lot of overgrown man-children again in their 30's+ acting like 18 year olds, riding motorcycles all day and drinking without having professional goals, etc. Lastly there are people who are simply psychopaths and couldn't get a job anywhere else. I know at my old school there was a guy who used to teach for Beijing Normal University who was then hired by the incompetent HR to teach. He is a psychopath with paranoid delusions, may have gone down for statutory rape in Australia, has a wife, beats her, has extreme anger and violence issues. Everybody knows this, but he's still allowed to teach. Nobody in their right mind would keep him around anywhere else. In his company is a dyslexic who can't write words of course teaching English and is also a violent alcoholic, and another alcoholic who kept having affairs with the students so the school of course expelled the students to cover it up.

    Of course, there are occasionally talented and brilliant people if you're lucky, but they are in the minority. That's my logic/experiences as far as people- in terms of work experience being a black hole, let's assume best case scenario that you're a teacher so the experience should be considered relevant. I know what teaching at a private language school is worth, and unless it's New Oriental (adult or gao kao division) or maybe wallstreet then it's basically worthless. If it's New Oriental or Wallstreet then it can vary depending on whose centre you're working in, but they are very easy jobs which don't require many skills. If they taught in a Chinese public/private school then I know that they were entertainers for a different class 1 hour a week and they did next to no assessment or anything really outside of being a white face and talking in a foreign language. The only experience I would consider good would be in an international school. As an aside, I would never hire someone educated in China. Going to a university in China is probably worse for your brain than spending 4 years after highschool sucking dick for crack rocks.
     


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    Was one of them called Paul by any chance, late 40s, comes from Manchester, often seen frequenting the bars of Gongbei?
     
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  15. Eason

    Eason Bicurious Racist

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    I don't know, skinny tall guy wearing a baseball cap. I don't want to get involved to the point where I knew his name. That group was all into the motorbike track.

    The other two who you bolded, I worked with; I remember their names but don't want to put them here for obvious reasons.
     
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