Hi, I joined the forum several months ago but never had good reason to post until now. In the thread that details which shoe makers create shoes for different companies someone had listed that Churchs now makes shoes for Jil Sander. On this information, I purchased these shoes: http://www.yoox.com/item/YOOX/JIL+SA...873N/areaid/36 I got the shoes today, they are made in Italy not England. They are calf and quite comfortable, if a little too pointy. Does anyone know who might have made them? Thank you!