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Jefferyd reviews Indochino

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by LA Guy, Aug 18, 2012.

  1. GBR

    GBR Senior member

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    I read the blog to which the OP directed our attention. I have now seen the result and am not impressed with the coat. It is too short in sleeves and length. Whilst the trousers are not too bad, one would have to wonder whether rather greater attention was paid to this order than the many dissatisfied customer who post here.... In any event one would expect a road show event to produce better results.

    I refer:

    http://www.styleforum.net/t/314044/my-first-indochino-suit-should-i-ask-for-remake
     
  2. Shirtmaven

    Shirtmaven Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    GBR. You really don't get it.
    First. The fit is good for what is being offered. This is a slim fitting shorter jacket model.
    This is a fashion garment.
    The self measured garments are a mess because there is no fit model ro judge from. And most
    People do not know how to take proper measurements
     
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    FlyingMonkey Senior member

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    GBR, just wait for what Jeffery has to say on Monday, as promised. I am sure it will be enlightening. After all, he knows just a little bit more about tailoring than most people here.
     
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    Grammaton Cleric Senior member

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    You guys should let it go. GBR just enjoys being an ill-tempered ass.
     
  5. A Y

    A Y Senior member

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    I'm looking forward to the critique as well. Could the vest appear too big because the strap in the back isn't pulled tight?
     
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    StormRider Senior member

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    I am also eagerly awaiting the full review.
    I agree jefferyd's suit turned out way better than mine.

    My wife measured me twice on two separate nights without consulting prior results, each time following the video exactly.

    Saw on another thread that the traveling tailor asked the person being measured to try on a few stock suits and discussed fit issues. That may have helped.

    I also saw a couple of remake request measurements and it seemed to me that there is a pattern of indochino making the suit jackets chest, waist and seat 1-2 inches too big.
     
  7. Shirtmaven

    Shirtmaven Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Saw on another thread that the traveling tailor asked the person being measured to try on a few stock suits and discussed fit issues. That may have helped.



    The concept of having the customer try on a stock size suit is very helpful to the traveling tailor. who in most cases is not a tailor and is just a salesman/fitter. I also fall in to the same category.
    when i first started in business, I also made suits. at first I would take measurements off both the body and the suit the customer was wearing. I then had the suits cut by a local cutter. I then gave the cut garments out to a coat factory and a pant factory. I had decent success, but I also had my share of suits that went wrong..
    later I worked with a suit division of scabal. i used try on jackets. I made adjustments to the pattern based on the changes that needed to be made. the info was inputted into a computer and the garment was cut by an automated knife cutter. I had moderate success with the program. the problem was that like, Indochino and mysuit, the garment was an inexpensive machine made garment with no expression or life..

    martin Greenfield always preferred to work with try-on garments. Ask anyone who was ever measured by martin at a Brooks Bros event.

    in this way the qualitative can be turned into quantitative.

    measurements taken by someone who does not understand how the pattern fits is at a serious disadvantage..

    that is why, i would be curious to see a suit from Indochino with measurements supplied by jeffrey D. ,without the aid of a fitting garment.
     
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  8. elbastardocalvo

    elbastardocalvo Senior member

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    Looking forward to the results...
     
  9. jefferyd

    jefferyd Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    This.

    I wouldn't even consider doing that.
     
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    jefferyd Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    FlyingMonkey Senior member

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    Excellent post, thank-you.

    On one particular point, when I went for my last MTM suit - and this was a shop-based service rather than an online system - the first thing the guy who measured me asked me to do was try on a couple of off-the-rack jackets, which enabled him to spot almost immediately what my physical peculiarities were. Mind you, he was a Savile Row-trained tailor himself - though he had no part in the actual making of the suit - so it wasn't quite the same as a fitter who has just been trained specifically for the job. I don't think I would ever try to measure myself and send in measurements online for a suit. A shirt, maybe - and that's still a big maybe.
     
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  12. dieworkwear

    dieworkwear Senior member

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    Excellent, fair, and thorough review, JefferyD. Thanks for writing it.

    I have a question about your comment on how the shirt is a bit blousy in the back and could use some darts. Just to be sure, I've always thought that darts on some men can be unwise, especially if they have an S-curved back. To my understanding, darts can help take in the sides, and maybe eliminate the fullness in the back, but if done on certain men, it can reveal poor posture (emphasizing the S-curve, in other words). Thus, "fullness in the back" isn't necessarily always a bad thing. Am I incorrect on this? I know this goes a bit beyond your review, but any thoughts on this would be appreciated.

    I know Carl is following this thread, so if he cares to weigh in, that would be great as well.
     
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  13. jefferyd

    jefferyd Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    The s-curve can refer to lordosis, which is poor posture, but not necessarily. Fat tends to accumulate around the back of the waist first on most men which fills in that space. Leaner men will have a narrower waist in the back as compared to the front, between the shoulder blades and the seat; darts will take up this excess. Kabbaz' explanation about darts was silly- to leave the back completely flat (where it is most shapely on fit men) but to take everything in on the sides, where there tends to be less shape, is to completely ignore the actual shape of the body.
     
  14. GBR

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    Reread what I wrote and what the original post referred people to - a reveiw of the sales process. Subseqnetly he did review a garment but that is not relevant to my comment about the original. Check facts before criticising.

    In reality the garment did have possible short comings despite the process although that might be a degree of opinion. I d however commend the OP's comment about is review coming after receipt of the garment as opposed to 'Ask Andy'; ways! That could not be more true.
     
  15. dieworkwear

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    Thanks Jeffery.
     
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    Jeffery, could you explain more the cause of the ripples at your shin at the frontal view? It's the calf pushing out on the back of the trousers right? Is this just an inevitable consequence of a narrow cut trouser or is there something a tailor/alterationist could do to stop it? All of my trousers have this problem, and I was thinking of asking my tailor to flare out the seam more from the hem up to the knee (I don't mind the 70's look, especially if it will solve these unsightly ripples).
     
  17. LA Guy

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    Just FWIW, the San Francisco event is going on this evening. Information on the events are at the following links

    Event: http://indochino.eventbrite.com
    Traveling Tailor in SF: http://www.indochino.com/traveling-tailor

    I think that their are having their in-house fitting specialists there, and AFAIK, one or both of the co-founders will be there. Might be interesting for some of you guys, if just to check it out and see for yourself how this stuff works, and to compare your experience with that of Jeffery's.

    Does anyone know if they have a fashion suit that actually has more built up shoulders, some waist suppression, and a longer skirt, sort of more like some of Dolce&Gabanna's cuts circa 2006?
     
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  18. GauchoSF

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    Attending the event tonight at 6p! :slayer:
     
  19. adamfarren

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    I just hit up the Traveling Tailor and was fit for a custom suit, they've done a nice job with the event. They are also offering some great deals on custom made shirts, one free with your suit order and then a bundled group of 3 custom shirts for $229, good price and if it fits I like their online model for future orders!
     
  20. Aristo36

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    Jeffrey, did you get the free shirt with the suit purchase as advertised on their site? Seems like a very generous company to offer $75 credit towards local tailoring and full refunds for unsatisfied customers. I just may have to check them out.
     

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