5EP: Greencasted denim (optional?) on the Straight Downs. No-scratch rivets, red threads on leather patch, no contrast-stiching around the fly. Eternal: A hybrid between 5EP's modern feel and Denime's heavy wear. Slimmer than Sorahikos, (most) Denimes, but not as slim as 5EP. My 811s are a lot slimmer than my straight 5EPs. I'd say that the 5EPs are kinda baggy in fact. Do you have the bootcut 5EP? Maybe that one is slimmer.