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Jantzen Shirts

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by chorse123, Dec 7, 2004.

  1. chorse123

    chorse123 Senior member

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    So I'm running this poll out of sheer curiosity. As I wait for my first Jantzen shirt, I'm wondering how many shirts you guys have ordered from Ricky. This isn't received, of course [​IMG] but ordered. I have a feeling that it could be quite addictive, once the fit is right.
     
  2. BjornH

    BjornH Senior member

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    Sure is. In the begining you order all the shirts you are missing from your wardrobe and fill in the gaps. Then you realize how badly your other shirts fit, and start replacing your staples with the good stuff. Later, you discover it would be a cool thing to have multiple versions of white shirts with different collars, cuffs and fabrics and even later you think - hey I really need to have that medium blue herringbone with both a spread collar and semi-spread and so on... I'm somwhere at the half way point on this path but I can see where this is headingfor me [​IMG] B
     
  3. johnnynorman3

    johnnynorman3 Senior member

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    Imagine that you order a Jantzen shirt. It's your first one. Imagine you then think to yourself, "If I just tweak a measurement here or there, it'll be perfect." So you do. That's two shirts. It comes back PERFECT. Or nearly so. So you order 5 more, thinking that will be sufficient for a work shirt rotation. That's seven. Then imagine you realize that the shirts you ordered are "staples," and that you'd like to at least get a nice mix of colors, checks, stripes, broadcloths, and twill weaves. So you order 10 more shirts. You are now at 17. Now imagine you realize that you don't have any button downs from Jantzen, and that you need some because you wear sweaters a lot. You try to tell yourself that all your old button downs are sufficient, but then you realize that you've been wearing closer fitting sweaters lately and that putting a tent shirt under a closer fitting cashmere sweater is uncomfortable. So you order 3 or 4 button downs. You are at 21 now.

    Now imagine that you look in your closet and see all of the casual shirts that you like to wear untucked with jeans or flannel flat front pants, or cords, etc. You realize that they just don't fit that well, and that all the other 21 shirts you ordered were meant to be tucked in and so have too long of tails to be worn untucked. So, restraining yourself you order 3 or 4 "untucked" shirts in casual patterns. Ding, ding, ding.. 25 total shirts.

    I read what I just wrote and I say, "Hey, that's me."

    And then I pine over the 12 shirts that I hope Ricky is busily making while we speak.
     
  4. handler4me

    handler4me Well-Known Member

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    How much does the average Jantzen shirt cost? It seems like a good investment.
     
  5. Houndstooth

    Houndstooth Senior member

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    How do you order? Never ordered his shirts before.
     
  6. VMan

    VMan Senior member

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    $43 which includes shipping.
     
  7. jekv12

    jekv12 Senior member

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    Just looked at the poll results...let me get this straight. There are actually a few people that have outstanding orders for 20+ shirts? That is ordered, but not yet received, as the poll question was stated:

    Or was the question misinterpreted?

    I'm been thinking about placing an order. I think I can deal with the wait, but not the hassle; at some point it is worth extra $$ to get better customer service and the shirts within 2-3 months.

    Another thread here talked about Ricky's difficulty in getting the fabrics. Is there a shorter turnaround on some (say the basics like white/blue solids, no stripes or checks? ) than others?
     
  8. johnnynorman3

    johnnynorman3 Senior member

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    The question wasn't misunderstood -- it asks how many you have ordered. This category encompasses (1) shirts ordered and received, and (2) shirts ordered and not yet received. My question would be whether the category encompasses orders you have placed in your mind but not yet officially ordered on the website. [​IMG] The turnaround time does not seem to vary for different fabrics. The only wrench is that Ricky may run out of a bolt of fabric, but may not have run out until he gets to your order 2 months after you place it. That really sucks, and is a good reason to put in a slightly larger order. On average, if the wait is longer than 1 1/2 months, I'd say that at least 10% to 15% of the fabrics you order will have run out already. My experience is that first timers who order a single test shirt receive orders the quickest. It is worth the money if you can afford to wait. It requires a leap of faith that Ricky is actually taking your order and processing it when he doesn't reply to your emails. But I've ordered enough to have faith enough to put up with whatever hassles the process involves. It is an investment. I feel much better when I am wearing a Jantzen shirt. I work better, look better, and feel better emotionally and physically. I will never go back to RTW unless it is uber-high end. But even those don't fit me as well as my Jantzen (funny, I'm a hard RTW shirt fit, but an easy RTW suit fit). The only comparable place to do MTM in terms of price and fabric selection is W.W. Chan. But Chan is still twice as much, has a worse online fabric selection IMO, doesn't give you as many options as Jantzen, and in my opinion doesn't cut quite as good a shirt as Jantzen overall (I think Jantzen uses better lining and has better stitching, though Chan has slightly higher armholes. Jantzen is also better at cutting well-fitting cuffs, IMO.). If you can afford $95 a pop for a shirt from Chan, by all means go for it. IMO, shirts are -- even more than suits -- the staple to a wardrobe, because shirts are more functional (you can wear them with or without suits). It is worth spending the money on a properly fitting shirt. Trust me, you'll notice the difference.
     
  9. regularjoe

    regularjoe Senior member

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    Also something to note is that some of the higher end options also have notorious turnaround times and their QA isn't necessarily any better.
     
  10. joseanes

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    Through their website at http://jantzentailor.com The web interface is terrible. Customer service is terrible. But the shirt quality is superb for the $45 they charge. I have only received one shirt. I sent for another shirt today. You do not even get an e-mail confirming that you placed an order. They do not charge the card untill they send the order. For me it took two months to receive the shirt. Not too bad to what other people say. I plan on sending an order for one shirt at a time. Maybe that will be my way of slowing down my shirt purchasing habits [​IMG]
     
  11. jekv12

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    I am familiar with MTM, and have posted on my experience with Individualized Shirts here, and prior to that, the long departed Custom Shop. I've found a web-based italian firm, prato, and perhaps I'll run a little experiment - an order for one shirt to them, to Ricky and maybe to Chan (if they do one at a time) and do a comparison in several categories.
     
  12. Rabbi Mark

    Rabbi Mark Well-Known Member

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    now that's really stepping up and making a sacrifice for the team. we await your verdict while we pretend to be actually disinterested pseudo-scientific observers ... instead of the jealous, addicted clothes-horses that we really are. [​IMG]
     
  13. chorse123

    chorse123 Senior member

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    Yes, I can definitely see this happening. Thanks for the responses, everyones. It's interesting to see how the numbers work out.
     
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    Jekv, any more information on this Italian firm, Prato? A quick and dirty google isn't turning anything up for me.

    Tom
     
  15. Tom

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    With the exception of fit (which is very good but not great) My Jantzen shirts are easily the worst quality shirts that I own. And I don't buy expensive shirts. They have basically disintigrated over about ten to twenty wearings. Buttons falling off (but not chipping), but especially, they keep tearing. Elbows, seams, cuffs coming detached, collar coming detached.
    My Thomas Pink shirts are many times better quality. My Polo shirts are many times better quality. My Land's End shirts are better quality and fit better to boot.

    -Tom
     
  16. johnnynorman3

    johnnynorman3 Senior member

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    That's bizarre, Tom, I've gotta say. I have not had a single problem with any of my Jantzen shirts. I've never had a button fall off, have never had any tears, the fit is very very good (yes, I'd prefer a little bit snugger armhole, but I'm not going through multiple fittings). I've never had any problem with stitching, and the fabrics are far superior to even my best Polo Philip shirts.
     
  17. jekv12

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    Apologies, Tom, seems I had a typo with the name. It is Patro. I started a thread on this a while back, with the unfortunate subtitle of "An Italian Jantzen." I intended, but did not make clear, the reference to be one of "MTM in Italy via the web" rather than "Italian MTM for $45." Their prices are higher, starting at 85 Euro, and go up depending on the fabric. I exchanged email with them, and I am at the point now where I'm going to order the fabric swatches. I need to be able to see/feel the material; I don't trust my judgement looking at web pictures.
     
  18. matadorpoeta

    matadorpoeta Senior member

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    re: patro

    they seem a bit expensive and charge an extra 8 euros for mop buttons. fabric choices are limited compared to jantzen. for mtm you have to send them a shirt you already have or a 'diagram' of your measurements. that's what is on their site anyway.

    re: ww chan

    i tried to order a shirt through their website but was unable to finish the process. there's nowhere to enter my payment info. anyone else had this problem? has anyone succesfluy ordered a shirt from them online? i missed their visit to l.a. by a few days.
     
  19. tiger02

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    Jekv and matadorpoeta, thanks. As for the current hot topic in other places on this board, any idea what the turnaround might be?

    Tom
     
  20. chocoball

    chocoball Senior member

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    I have to say that you guys are being unfair for criticising Ricky and Jantzen. After a 3 year changeover from shopping RTW, practically every shirt (about 35) and suits (about 10) I own in my wardrobe now are from Jantzen. I have nothing but good things to say about Ricky, although you have to keep in mind that I live in HK and can talk to him frequently in person or over the phone.
     

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