1. And... we're back. You'll notice that all of your images are back as well, as are our beloved emoticons, including the infamous :foo: We have also worked with our server folks and developers to fix the issues that were slowing down the site.

    There is still work to be done - the images in existing sigs are not yet linked, for example, and we are working on a way to get the images to load faster - which will improve the performance of the site, especially on the pages with a ton of images, and we will continue to work diligently on that and keep you updated.

    Cheers,

    Fok on behalf of the entire Styleforum team
    Dismiss Notice

Jan Kielman shoes - internet bespoke service

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by j ingevaldsson, Feb 1, 2013.

  1. Harold falcon

    Harold falcon Senior member

    Messages:
    27,420
    Joined:
    Dec 6, 2009
    Location:
    NE PA
    Excuse me, I ordered my Whopper with cheese. This whopper has no cheese.

    Order another one. It's not like you can have it your way.
     
    5 people like this.
  2. Harold falcon

    Harold falcon Senior member

    Messages:
    27,420
    Joined:
    Dec 6, 2009
    Location:
    NE PA
    When your shoemaker has a worse satisfaction policy than Burger King you might want to reconsider who makes your shoes.
     
    5 people like this.
  3. comrade

    comrade Senior member

    Messages:
    5,875
    Joined:
    May 10, 2005
    Location:
    Menlo Park, CA
    

    Actually that's a fantastic result from ordering over the internet and self-measuring.
    I had the opposite experience in getting MTM Gokey boots. I was actually measured
    at the Orvis store which sells them but not in 3E. So it was no more than a special
    order of a stock item. I was measured by a "professional" in the shoe dept. The shoes
    arrived at the store a month later. I was as though the size/width combination was the
    result of a random number generator: The shoes were off by that much. Got a full
    refund.

    http://www.orvis.com/store/product....v=127748&cm_mmc=plas-_-MensClothing-_-2967-_-
     
    Last edited: Jun 21, 2014
  4. Harold falcon

    Harold falcon Senior member

    Messages:
    27,420
    Joined:
    Dec 6, 2009
    Location:
    NE PA
    Maybe not refer to ordering over the internet as bespoke then. I didn't use that term to start. I don't claim the socks I buy over the internet in size 13-15 are bespoke.
     
    2 people like this.
  5. Harold falcon

    Harold falcon Senior member

    Messages:
    27,420
    Joined:
    Dec 6, 2009
    Location:
    NE PA
    Several fittings for bespoke suits is totally acceptable as long as the finished product fits. When the finished shoe doesn't fit it's not bespoke. Period.

    And there's no shame in that. 95% of my shoes not bespoke. But I don't pretend they are. And for a vendor to pretend they are is fraud. Go hang with GC.

    Out.

    Edit 97% of my shoes are not bespoke. I only have 1. Please excuse my poor math.

    Double edit 97.5%.

    Third edit or thereabouts. I don't know whether to count the gym shoes or not.
     
    Last edited: Jun 21, 2014
    3 people like this.
  6. agedashidofu

    agedashidofu Senior member

    Messages:
    414
    Joined:
    Feb 13, 2014
    

    Thanks. I did realize this after reading your blog again. Most of the Japanese shoemakers actually make fully made shoes that the customers will try a few weeks to 1 month and I guess this is precisely the reason. But then again they cost almost 3X as much. I still find Kielman to be great value. As they say the last 10% is what makes it very expensive and I'm more than happy if we get 90%.

    Decided to go ahead and try this out. Thanks for all the help - really appreciate it. Will post here once I get them, along with my humble assessment.
     
  7. Harold falcon

    Harold falcon Senior member

    Messages:
    27,420
    Joined:
    Dec 6, 2009
    Location:
    NE PA


    You can't always get what you want when you order bespoke.

    Oh wait that's exactly what you're supposed to get. My bad.

    Now seriously out. You may resume continuing lying to each other.
     
    Last edited: Jun 21, 2014
    4 people like this.
  8. Harold falcon

    Harold falcon Senior member

    Messages:
    27,420
    Joined:
    Dec 6, 2009
    Location:
    NE PA
    Oh yeah, I'm drunk on a Saturday. I earned it. I worked for a living. I didn't suck mom's teats for rent money.
     
    2 people like this.
  9. acidboy

    acidboy Senior member

    Messages:
    21,170
    Joined:
    Mar 13, 2006
    wow.
     
    2 people like this.
  10. ammanati

    ammanati Senior member

    Messages:
    394
    Joined:
    Mar 23, 2013
    Location:
    London, UK
  11. j ingevaldsson

    j ingevaldsson Senior member

    Messages:
    1,195
    Joined:
    Aug 24, 2011
  12. ammanati

    ammanati Senior member

    Messages:
    394
    Joined:
    Mar 23, 2013
    Location:
    London, UK
    Thanks Jesper! Appreciate it. Yes, the Master Cobbler agreed to have his photo taken during work under condition that he looks handsome and young [​IMG]. You judge [​IMG]
     
  13. gsugsu

    gsugsu Senior member

    Messages:
    894
    Joined:
    May 9, 2008
    Jesper, any thought on what needs to be done to refine your Kielman last? That's assuming you will commission another pair? Did you do your own measurements or did you have another person measure you?
     
  14. ammanati

    ammanati Senior member

    Messages:
    394
    Joined:
    Mar 23, 2013
    Location:
    London, UK
    Some recent Kielman shoes
    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]
     
  15. j ingevaldsson

    j ingevaldsson Senior member

    Messages:
    1,195
    Joined:
    Aug 24, 2011
    I have new orders in process with both Bestetti (semi-bespoke) and Maftei (full bespoke) at the moment, so not any plans for a new commission from Kielman at this time. But quite possible that I will in the future. The last would mainly need to be adjusted to be a bit smaller, a bit more volume wise over the front of the instep to the ball. My wife helped me take the measurements, but we sort of did it together.

    Ammanati: Some really nice pairs there, especially the V-cap, bloody great last shape on those!
     
    Last edited: Jun 30, 2014
  16. ammanati

    ammanati Senior member

    Messages:
    394
    Joined:
    Mar 23, 2013
    Location:
    London, UK
    Thanks Jesper, I will try to keep this thread up to date with some Kielman bespoke shoes. Unfortunately there is no Appreciation thread (yet?) so will post here. If that is ok.
    Interesting use of colour outsole seam. Makes it look like it is wider than it really is. My personal preference would be dark though. I am probably more into classic look
    [​IMG]
     
  17. agedashidofu

    agedashidofu Senior member

    Messages:
    414
    Joined:
    Feb 13, 2014
    Am supposed to receive my pair this week. Will keep everyone posted!
     
  18. j ingevaldsson

    j ingevaldsson Senior member

    Messages:
    1,195
    Joined:
    Aug 24, 2011
    

    Nice!
     
  19. ammanati

    ammanati Senior member

    Messages:
    394
    Joined:
    Mar 23, 2013
    Location:
    London, UK
  20. agedashidofu

    agedashidofu Senior member

    Messages:
    414
    Joined:
    Feb 13, 2014
    Alright - received the pair of bespoke shoes from Jan Kielman.

    First and foremost however, I want to extend my thanks & gratitude to J Ingevaldsson for his comprehensive guide, help, as well as advice. I've also benefited from some of his learning on the self measurement - to ensure that this one comes out right. And of course, to the folks @ Jan Kielman for their wonderful service & pair of shoes. So - without further ado, below are a couple of pictures and some of my own personal thoughts of the process & the outcome:

    Positives:
    1. Fit is perfect. I'm actually really amazed at how they were able to do that just based on the foot tracing & measurements, without any trial shoe. I will not repeat whatever is already written by J Ingevaldsson or Jan Kielman here - but what has worked for me is to take multiple measurements across 5 nights (I've always done my measurements in the evening) & take the average. More importantly - measure the tape snug (not too loose, not too tight) - the thumb rule here is to imagine how snug the shoes should feel on your feet - and that's how you should use the measuring tape. On top of this, I've sent them multiple pictures of my feet - from the top, from the front, from the sides, from behind, etc.

    2. Shoes feel extremely solid. The leather feels high quality (both calf skin & suede.) I had chosen the polish calf (vs. the French) which is supposed to be based on the Freudenberg tannery - now made in Poland (I think they're now called Weinheimer?) This was also the recommended leather by Jan Kielman for black calf - as they're supposed to be more supple.

    3. Heel counter goes all the way to the arch - this is also probably why the shoes feel really solid.
    4. Shoes are 100% balanced (no side tilting, or gap on the heel) - perfect!
    5. They've added arch support on the insole - per my request (to correct my over-pronation) which is a big plus! On this one - I've sent multiple pictures of my feet & ankle from behind to show the over-pronation.

    6. Monika was extremely helpful & speak English quite well - so communication was never a problem. If there's any doubt - just call her. It's always better to over-communicate, and talking is always better vs. sending emails.

    7. Shoes were done in ~4 weeks - super fast.

    Feedback (Caveat: some of the feedback below, especially #1 & #2 is more feedback for myself for a potential next order, as they have more to do with my own personal preference.)
    1. I find that the welt extends quite a fair bit on the "Sztuper". I generally prefer the welt not to extend that much to create a slimmer, sharper look. In hindsight, I would have chosen the "lightweight." Now, if I were in Poland, I could have probably seen some of the finished shoes in person, and decided on the "lightweight" immediately.

    2. I would have asked for a longer toe - which I'm sure would not be a problem for them. Again, if I were in Poland and had seen the last, I could have made this decision.

    3. The waist is not really bevelled.
    4. The shoe trees are not really lasted. Having said that, they really serve their purpose. If anything, this is purely just aesthetic.

    I hope this is somewhat helpful. Now, enough talking, on with the pictures! Enjoy!

    A couple of pictures of the making process:
    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    A couple of pictures of the finished product:
    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]
     
    2 people like this.

Share This Page

Styleforum is proudly sponsored by