Discussion in 'Streetwear and Denim' started by dogatemyhw, Sep 14, 2011.
so basically all of your arguments boil down to  Other companies might do it, so it is at least in part, justified  Bad-faith marketing is OK the bigger a company gets
i would say more, but since you didn't really address the substantive basis of my argument which is that j crew uses bad-faith tactics, it probably would be lost on you and therefore not worth my time. sorry, i don't consider "But other people do it, too!" to be a defense worthy of rebuttal
or was there something more substantial i missed in your sycophantic defense to j crew and condescending, baby-like "supply and demand" blabberings that were inexplicably poised toward my argument re: j crew's bad-faith business practices? despite studying advanced economics in undergrad, i'm always willing to learn from someone on the internet graced w/ an ostensibly brilliant mind
He has a point about the mall brand thing though.
Compared to Abercrombie, American Eagle, and Express, J Crew is tops.
I think he has a point though, in that you're taking j. crew's "problems" a little too seriously. If it was some designer label, then sure, you may have a few points, but honestly, it's fucking j. crew, a fucking mall brand. Who the fuck cares if they tailor the clothes to their mannequins.
i don't see how finding brands that are inferior to j crew negates or lessens j crew's bad business practices or voids them for discussion
my claim wasn't "there are no mall brands inferior to j crew", so i don't see why you all keep raising that as a point of contention
if j crew knowingly clips the sleeves and backs of their clothing to make them look deceptively slim in stock photos, then i think that's worthy of discussion. it's information that's worthy of being proliferated into the public domain b/c it informs us (ie, those of us who shop at j crew) about what they do, and the fact that they are willing to purposely deceive consumers about the material aspects of the garments seems to be important.
it's a problem, because when you buy something from a website, there is a good-faith understanding that the stock photo can be taken to fairly represent what the product looks like, since there's no means to physically inspect the product in-person. therefore, when you buy such a product on that assumption, and receive something else in the mail, it is not b/c of your shortcomings as a buyer, but rather b/c of j crew's intent to fool you.
frankly, i think that's a problem, and i think it's neither voided by the # of j crew garments you have in your closet nor how many other brands do it. if you don't think that's a problem worthy of consideration, then perhaps this entire thread should be retitled "J Crew Appreciation and Passive Consumption", and i certainly won't come back b/c i'm not interesting in being surrounded by people who passively consume w/out critically reflecting
Whoa! You went to college?! Neat!
I mean, I agree, it is a problem, but who the fuck cares. If you're worried about fit, there are plenty of local stores (unlike a lot of designer brands) nearby where you can try things on, and their website also provides measurements.
The point is that j. crew is a mall brand. If you want nice clothes, shop somewhere else. It's like going to a gourmet cooking forum and complaining that the display windows at Wendy's "deceive" the customer. Who the fuck cares.
Johdus: Hey, there's the new secret-wash-slub-wallace-barnes-sun-faded-indian-cotton shirt on that J.Crew mannequin. It looks great!
[After trying it on]
Johdus: Nuts. This secret-wash-slub-wallace-barnes-sun-faded-indian-cotton shirt is vanity sized. They must've pinned the shirt on that mannequin! Oh well. Time to forget about this mild disappointment and enjoy my well-rounded life.
I see people taking the role of contrarian now that J.Crew is greatly unpopular on SF. How expected.
Can someone recommend me a shoe similar to the Alden Pebble Grain shortwings?
I liked the Alden x JCrew shortwings since they seemed more casual than the straight Alden shortwings that did not have the pebble grain and lighter colored rubber sole. I really like that color and texture.
I'm a little irritated with J. Crew and their sale items. I remember when their sale items were not final sale, it seems as if lately their sale items are only final sale, how ridiculous is this?!
Pretty much Swagged up - I'm liking the winter jacket they got there.
Good Line, Awaiting.
It's totally ridiculous. It's just another example of J. Crew's adversarial relationship with their customers. The whole idea of "final sale" is bulls**t.
Where's this sucker at? I've been looking for a layer I can wear this spring that isn't my arcteryx jacket. This also looks like linen, which is great in the muggy south.
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