intrigued by the 484 and figured i'd try them out. i think i like them. i'm used to a slimmer fit but i wanted something a little different for the fall. they feel kind of weird, i guess because they're just fuller in the leg than i'm used to. they definitely look better with my L/S button-up shirts than my slimmer jeans (stick leg syndrome) do. thoughts? They look great. I picked up a pair, but returned them. They were much bigger on me, called customer service in hopes that there was a size 30 waist @ the Men's Store, but no dice.