Can't imagine that they're any better then your run of the mill J&M or Florsheim shoes. Designing looks ok in person, but don't like the rubber soles. If you want wingtip bluchers, I think the AE Hinsdale are on 6pm for about 190, and probably less at the AE Shoe Bank. I have an old pair that has held up nice. IIRC they were from Italy.