"Italian way" of necktie tying?

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  1. cappyg00k

    cappyg00k Member

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    Hey guys, I'm sure many of you have seen The Sartorialist's new column in American GQ and he mentioned the man was wearing the necktie the "Italian way", back of the tie longer (i.e., thin part of the neck tie longer). I always thought people did this as a mistake or store displays on mannequins to make the tie knot really thick. Has anyone else ever heard of a such?
     


  2. yachtie

    yachtie Senior member

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    I've seen it (on the Sartorialist and elsewhere). I think it looks silly or an attempt at "dishabille" that's a little too contrived.
     


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    sprezzatura
     


  4. Dragon

    Dragon Senior member

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    Some people call it stylish or sprezzatura:

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    I call it trying too hard or looking stupid, but everyone has their own opinion when it comes to style and fashion.
     


  5. Christofuh

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    I believe the word for that is " ritardato. " No idea as to the meaning, though.
     


  6. redcaimen

    redcaimen Bigtime

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    sprezzatura

    I think you mean Lee Siegel, dont you?
     


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    acidboy Senior member

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    if you dont have sprezzatura when you do this, you might end up assomigliando ad un asino
     


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    Jovan Banned for Good

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    Looks sloppy, and sounds like something a department store salesman would tell you when you say the tie's too long.
     


  9. LabelKing

    LabelKing Senior member

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    It's Italian insouciance like the tie outside the sweater or sunglasses at night.
     


  10. tiecollector

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    Don't forget sandals with a suit. I think this one takes the cake as being a little silly. I'll have to try the tie outside the sweater. Though, if you are going for a messy/flashy/just got out of bed/the world is too boring kind of look, then I think this method might work quite well. certainly doesn't work past age 35 I don't think.

    When I went to Europe a few months ago the new way of tying a tie was to use an Italian knot, no longer a full windsor though it still seemed popular in London.
    I use the Italian knot sometimes. It is just a four in hand but instead of going around once and then putting the blade through, you go around twice and then put your blade through BOTH. It his a nice look I think.
     


  11. Christofuh

    Christofuh Senior member

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    < Sigh


    Another day, another illusion busted. I used to think PeeDiddy pioneered the idea of wearing shades in pitch dark.


    Sigh >


    P.S. In the end you come off looking sorta like this
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  12. Dragon

    Dragon Senior member

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    I think what you are describing is commonly known as the Prince Albert. Many men all over the world use this knot (including myself).
    Are you sure? [​IMG] Picture from http://thesartorialist.blogspot.com
     


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    I think what you are describing is commonly known as the Prince Albert. Many men all over the world use this knot (including myself). http://www.bensilver.com/style04/knots_prince.htm
    Similar but not quite. I can't find a pic right now, I'll have to take a pic when I get home. Basically you do the prince albert but after you go around the first time [top center pic] you put your finger underneath to create a loop, then you go around again with your finger still underneath. So at the center row, center pic, you now have your finger and a loop with TWO layers of tie. When you feed the blade back through, you feed it behind BOTH layers of tie. Getting the knot tight takes a little bit of practice, but it is a very nice look I think.
    Are you sure? [​IMG] Picture from http://thesartorialist.blogspot.com
    Doesn't look that bad actually,for a crazy night on the town! wild man!
     


  14. Dragon

    Dragon Senior member

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    I see what you mean.

    I guess I wasn`t doing the Prince Albert then, because I feed my tie through both layers like you described.

    It doesn`t look that bad because he has hot chicks on each side which balance the look of the tie. Take away the chicks and it`s a completly different look.
     


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