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Is this picture of the c&j grosvenor?

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I've been eyeing the following shoes for quite some time now, was going to buy from England, but saw the price go down again.
First question. I would assume this is the C&J Grosvenor, but has anyone been to a Brooks store to confirm this? Second question. Does anyone know how this particular shoe fits in terms of width? Normal, narrow, wide? Thanks in advance for any input.
 

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Just from looking, the toe on the C&J pic is more squared or chiseled. But that's just my cursory glance...
 

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It could possibly be the same model on a different last per Brooks' specifications. They certainly would order enough to get what they want. The consensus has seemed to be that those Peals are, in fact, C&J (I've not seen them in person and couldn't add much if I had.).

Are the old Peal lasts in use at all, or does Brooks simply use the house lasts of their subcontractors?
 

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Good point about having different lasts but the same shoe, I hadn't thought of that.

I would imagine this Peal at $215 is a much better bargain than an Allen Edmonds at the same price.
 

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i haven't examined them in person, but I was under the impression that the new generation of Peals was being done by Alfred Sargent, am I mistaken?
 

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Hi TCN, Please see this link for a summary of the current state of knowledge.  Basically, while Sargent undoubtedly makes some of the Peal shoes there appears to be wide consensus that others are made by C&J to benchgrade (not handgrade) standards. Hope that helps. John MS, I believe I was one of the people saying that the BB Peal shoe looked like the Grosvenor.  It may not be - I thought of the Grosvenor as having a more rounded toe - viz. this  photo at Pediwear.  The more recent C&J catalogue photo does indeed show a more chiseled toe.  Could be the vagaries of photography, or a change in the toe box for stylistic reasons.  Good luck thinking about those shoes.  I like the shape of the Savile much better, but I am tempted to snap up the BB monks...
 

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I've been eyeing the following shoes for quite some time now, was going to buy from England, but saw the price go down again.
First question. Â I would assume this is the C&J Grosvenor, but has anyone been to a Brooks store to confirm this? Second question. Â Does anyone know how this particular shoe fits in terms of width? Â Normal, narrow, wide? Thanks in advance for any input.
I've tried this shoe on at the Brooks store near Mazza Galleria in Washington, DC two weeks ago. It is a very nice shoe and runs to the wide side. I have flat, somewhat wide feet, and there was adequate room in the 11D, "11" being my standard size. I have just ordered a pair in brown from the website. You can always return them to Brooks if they don't fit. Jeff
 

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Jeff,

Thanks for the information on fitting. I've ordered a number of Peal shoes in the past, all fit me too narrow. I appreciate the input.

How does the brown color look in person?

John
 

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Jeff,

Thanks for the information on fitting.  I've ordered a number of Peal shoes in the past, all fit me too narrow.  I appreciate the input.

How does the brown color look in person?

John
The brown, as I recall, looks very much like the picture. In other words, not chocolate brown, which I do not prefer, but rather with some red in the mix. I was prepared to buy them at the boutique at 25% off, but of course am very glad now that I waited. $214.80 is imho a very good value for this shoe.

Jeff
 

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