Is this edward green on bluefly?

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  1. JohnMS

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    It would be helpful to see the heel. Others who are better can make the call. I would bet either EG or C&J, but wouldn't bet much on it.
     


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    I'd guess C&J or some other English maker. The one problem with them being EG is that recent RLPL/EG shoes I've seen all seem to have the box (just like EG) around the "Ralph Lauren Made in England" text on the insole.
    On the other hand, the price certainly suggests EG. $499 is high even for C&J I think.

    Is it possible to ask BlueFly?

    By the way, note that the Bluefly Polo boots also appear to have the script "Ralph Lauren" on the insole.
     


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    To which boots are you referring to? The Chukkas mentioned in another post are the blue label equivalent. I can see no purple label script.
     


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    I agree with HRHAndrew that a view of the outer sole and heel would be helpful.  The shoe has all the looks of the EG Cardiff derby, and the squared toe would suggest the 606 or maybe the 808 last; however, there appears to be more brogueing along the upper quarter adjacent to the eyelets in the shoe shown on Bluefly than on pictures I have of the EG Cardiff.  This is, indeed, a case for our resident shoe experts.
     


  6. JohnMS

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    Rayk,

    I didn't think to consult my EG catalog. I think you are dead on. The catalog I have shows the Cardiff 808 last in Edwardian Antique and it looks like the exact shoe. Pictures match exactly.

    Thanks for your input.

    Not having purchased an EG shoe before, two questions:

    1. With a coupon, the shoe would be $382.20 which includes shipping. Is that a pretty good deal for EG considering many of you get EG at discounts.

    2. How does the 808 last fit or would this be the 89 last that A. Harris has spoken of? I wear basically D width shoes in Alden and Allen Edmonds
     


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    A Harris Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Those are indeed the Edward Green Cardiff. I have a pair sitting in front of me - I compared them to the closeup photo's and they are identical in absolutely every detail.

    1) $382.00 is a great deal

    2) They are on last 89. It is a fairly generous last for Edward Green. As for size, the question is whether Bluefly is listing the English or American size (RLPL shoes are marked with both - for instance 9 / 9 1/2 E which means a UK 9E or US 9 1/2 medium.) I would guess that they are listing the US size.
     


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    OK, I will now bet some of Steve's book proceeds that those are without question the EG Cardiff.

    <edit> Boy, talk about being a day late and a dollar short. You guys are good.
     


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    Interestingly, one color does, one color doesn't -- the other color has the standard C&J-type labelling.

    Andrew:

    Aren't the RLPL shoes normally a "D" width, or are they UK E/US D? How does the 89 compare to the 202 or 606 in width through the ball and the toes?
     


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    Bluefly isn't very good at answering questions on their shoes, at least that has been my experience.

    A. Harris, a question about sizing. Purple label shoes will list the difference between the American and British numbers as being 1/2 size difference (e.g., 9/9.5). I wear an 8D and wear a 7F in Church's. Width fitting aside, Is the EG 89 last a fairly true medium width?
     


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    By the way, note that the Bluefly Polo boots also appear to have the script "Ralph Lauren" on the insole.
    To which boots are you referring to? Â The Chukkas mentioned in another post are the blue label equivalent. Â I can see no purple label script.
    I think kabert is referring to these boots. Â Now that we've gotten the answer to the question regarding the shoes, can anyone fill me in on the origin of these boots?
     


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    A Harris Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Older RLPL shoes were ordered primarily in D width, on the 808 last. Very narrow fitting. However, in the last couple of years E width has been the standard. I think these are newer shoes - they don't have the box drawn around the "Ralph Lauren" script.

    I've never tried on the 606, but I'd say that the 89 fits maybe a little bit wider than the 202. I have never had the privilege of trying on a number of different Green's at one sitting in order to compare, but I doubt there are any huge differences - we are talking about Edward Green here.
     


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    Thanks, not sure on those.  The first ones are definately C&J, most purple label tend to be EG, but those are not familiar to me.  They remind of a pair of Grenson's Masterpieces that I saw, but I doubt it as I haven't seen any Grenson made RL stuff. I am sure the answer will be here by the time I post this.
     


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    A Harris Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    This doesn't mean they are EG, they put that script on some C&J made shoes as well. I think those boots are likely C&J.



    Yes, but it is important to understand that English D and English E widths are both really medium widths. D is slightly on the narrow side and E is slightly on the wide side. However not narrow or wide enough to correspond to a US C or E.

    A Church's 7F are probably equivalent to a US 7 1/2 E, not an 8D. If your toes aren't cramped, then it sounds like you wear a US 8 for the sake of width, not length. These Cardiffs (likely a 7 1/2 / 8 E) will probably fit nicely. If anything they will be a little bit loose - and you should be able to take care of that with a bit of padding under the tongue or a thin insole.
     


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