Is midnight blue shawl collar appropriate for a black tuxedo?

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  1. hitchedsoon

    hitchedsoon Member

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    Hi all, first post, long time lurker. I'm having a MTM tuxedo done for my wedding. Shawl collar, single button, side vents. My first choice for fabric was midnight blue, but this would have been 50% more expensive than the black I went with. I'm wondering if it's appropriate to get the shawl collar made in this midnight blue for a bit more style. I've seen this done, albeit rarely, most popularly by Jeremy Renner on the red carpet (http://www.esquire.com/the-side/style-guides/red-carpet/jeremy-renner-2011-oscars#slide-6).

    Thanks
     
  2. Mr Knightly

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    That looks a bit lighter than midnight blue to me, though I suppose it's under directly sunlight, and one rarely sees dinner suits in daylight. I don't think there's anything wrong with it, but query whether you want to draw extra attention to your lapels. Shawls are already a bit unusual these days. It's much more common to see black lapels on a midnight tux.

    As an aside, I feel your pain regarding the price of a midnight tux. It's very disappointing that the reasonably priced MTM brands don't seem to offer midnight navy options for tuxes. If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear them.
     
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    Manton RINO Dubiously Honored

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    I think that color fabric isn't stocked, and that is why is it so expensive for the the first guy that wants the tux made in this color. I bet that had I ordered the tux in midnight blue, a whole lot of that fabric would have been ordered and the next guy would not be charged 50% more.
     
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    wait, you want to put a blue shawl collar on a black tux? Do i have this right?

    if so, about mission
     
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    That's horrible. Listen to manton.
     
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    Ok. The same guys that don't like the blue collar on a black suit- do you like a black collar on a blue suit?
     
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    Manton RINO Dubiously Honored

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    Yes, that looks fine, that's what I did.
     
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    Yep, that way round looks fine (and I have it too). Not sure why it looks fine, compared to the reverse, but somehow it does to my eye.

    Anyway, leaving that issue aside, I can't understand why it would cost an MTM supplier twice as much to have a tux made in midnight navy rather than black? Most midnight navy cloths suitable for a DJ & trousers are in the same book as the black ones, aren't they (at least that's what I recall when I was looking through them)? I can't see why one should cost more. What am I missing?
     
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    I would expect that there would be reasonable blacks in much cheaper books...
     
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    I too remain baffled as to why a fabric in midnight blue would kick the total price up at all over black. To the OP: What was the fabric collection, pray tell?

    Would agree that putting midnight blue lapels on a black jacket would be "off."
     
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    I don't remember the origin of the fabric, but the blacks offered to me at a reasonable price were in stock. When I asked for a midnight blue, I was shown a navy with the explanation that he doesn't stock a darker midnight navy appropriate for a tuxedo. So it's not the fabric per se that pushes up the price for a midnight ball, it's that this color fabric is not in inventory and must be ordered. I don't know the inner workings of the textile business but I suspect that fabrics are ordered in bulk amounts. I also suspect that the price for the first suit utilizing fabric that must be ordered is higher; perhaps he can't guarantee that this new fabric will sell in a reasonable amount if time. Again, the latter bits I'm speculating on. I am very bummed that I couldn't get a midnight blue, but his price for an all black was very good and he has a good reputation on this forum. I guess you can't have your cake and eat it too at this price point :(
     
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    +1 to everything in there; it looks lighter than midnight, black on midnight but not midnight black, and does anyone have links to OTR midnight blue tuxedos?
     
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    As soon as I see the words "midnight blue" before "tuxedo," I know its someone who's read a lot of magazines and is just looking to be kind of rebellious and unique in a way that, unfortunately, everybody else will be too.
     

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