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Is it worth transferring schools?

Discussion in 'Business, Careers & Education' started by ConcernedParent, Nov 16, 2010.

  1. andrewh

    andrewh New Member

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    This is true, with a caveat--if you want to work in SoCal, the USC alumni network can get you a great consulting or banking job, on par with top-5 universities. (UCLA can't...even though it's comparable academically, it lacks the strong alumni network).

    Outside of SoCal, you'd need to go to a school with more national prestige (Ivy's, Stanford, etc.).

    I also have a consulting / banking background, and this was one of the interesting things I noticed while working in different cities.
     
  2. andrewh

    andrewh New Member

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    Of the schools you listed...

    Cornell, Brown, Darmouth, Northwestern --> Yes, I would transfer.

    UChicago, Berkeley --> Depends. If you're planning to work in SoCal after graduation, USC's alumni network will oftentimes get you better jobs than either UChicago or Berkeley, and you wouldn't have to deal with the trouble of transferring. If leaving SoCal, I"d probably transfer.

    UCLA --> No, unless you're doing it for the reduced tuition. I don't think the cost-benefits would add up.
     
  3. Dewey

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    i'm taking an upper div philos class this semester and the grading is really tough. i haven't opened the book or taken the 2 prereqs though.
    [​IMG] i hope that's a joke . . . don't be a fool
    One thing to keep in mind about transferring to either UCLA or Berkeley from a 4 yr university is that transfer priority is given to community college transfer students over students at other 4 year Universities. That is due to California's 'Master Plan' on Higher Education. Being that you are a sophomore, you really have to apply now before Nov.30 for University of California. You pretty much need to transfer in as a Junior and UC does not offer rolling admissions. UC (to the best of my knowledge) does not accept transfer applications for people starting their Senior year. To get your degree from Cal or UCLA you have to complete a certain number of upper division Units at that University so you pretty much need to go in as a Junior. If you still want to try it this year, you really need to make sure you have IGETC fulfilled since as Philo you'd be going into Letters and Science at Berkeley (not sure the UCLA equivalent off top of my head). The best resource to check your current courses is Assist.org: http://www.assist.org/web-assist/welcome.html If you want more information you can PM me and I will send you email to the transfer counselors/admissions officers you'd need to talk to which I would really advise you get on ASAP if you are serious. Since you are considering Law School, it might just be better to stay at SC, get the best grades possible and prepare for Columbia, Uof Chi or Boalt law schools.
    that is some high quality advice. not sure it's accurate but i do recognize that not many people have that knowledge on the tip of their tongue.
    This is true, with a caveat--if you want to work in SoCal, the USC alumni network can get you a great consulting or banking job, on par with top-5 universities. (UCLA can't...even though it's comparable academically, it lacks the strong alumni network).
    not sure what you'd want to do with your degree but in general i think the "quality" of a BA is overrated. you either have one, or you don't. and it can be an advantage to have the BA that a lot of people have, since in general all that matters to employers is that you have it. and if you have a BA from the same school as the person doing the hiring, that's a plus. for this reason the value of any given BA degree is much higher in the geographic region where the alums typically live. the idea that an ivy BA will help you in the average case, in CA, over a USC degree . . . i really doubt that. ivies like to say think their degrees are more respected by everyone but that is not the case. there are industries where this matters but it is not standard. the best BA you can have in almost any hiring situation is the same one as the person doing the hiring. one other thing with transferring . . . i am sure your first two years at USC included a lot of general education work. because colleges and unis are independent, the gen ed programs are different everywhere. transfer students are almost always screwed. your 40 credits of gen ed at one place is received as 30 of the 40 gen ed at another place, plus (this is the killer) 10 credits of elective. transferring mid-stream is worse than changing money at the airport. you might be 50% done at USC but it's likely you'll transfer in as 40-45% done at the new school. not sure how the california system works though. perhaps you could go to cal and the gen eds are the same. nationwide the trend is for govs etc. to pressure the state systems to get on the same page and offer more the same in terms of gen ed requirements. i would stick it out at usc and make the best of it. get your BA and enjoy it and then do what you need to do to go to your graduate school of your choice. if grad school, law school, etc. is not the immediate option then do internships and gather professional work experience however you can.
     
  4. deadly7

    deadly7 Senior member

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    i would stick it out at usc and make the best of it. get your BA and enjoy it and then do what you need to do to go to your graduate school of your choice. if grad school, law school, etc. is not the immediate option then do internships and gather professional work experience however you can.

    This. Ultimately if you want to do anything outside of undergrad (which, with a BA in philosophy seems likely) kick ass wherever you are and you'll be a strong contender anywhere you apply. Nobody, other than people that either are jealous of Ivies or went to Ivies, gives a shit if you went to Harvard or USC.
     
  5. pebblegrain

    pebblegrain Senior member

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    I would tell you sure, go for it transfer. Except isn't it pretty fucking late to be trying to transfer in as a Junior?
     
  6. bach

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    I would tell you sure, go for it transfer. Except isn't it pretty fucking late to be trying to transfer in as a Junior?
    read the op. he said he didn't have great stats out of hs. you need to pull down A's for more than a semester if you want dartmouth, brown, and other schools of that caliber. additionally, ucla and cal only accept junior transfers.
     
  7. pebblegrain

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    read the op. he said he didn't have great stats out of hs. you need to pull down A's for more than a semester if you want dartmouth, brown, and other schools of that caliber.

    he made it sound like he got into both UCLA and NYU? can't be that bad...
     
  8. bach

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    he made it sound like he got into both UCLA and NYU? can't be that bad...
    well the hs stats needed to get into nyu/ucla are a lot different than the ones you need to get into places like columbia and berkeley (lol). applying as a sophomore transfer is pretty much like applying from high school because you haven't done much other than take a semester of freshman courses. op didn't have the grades/scores in high school, so yeah... one semester of college grades isn't going to change their minds.
     
  9. ConcernedParent

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    Thanks for the advice. I figure from here I'll just give it a shot and apply broadly, and if I don't get it, so it goes... I guess you just can't hide stupid for that long. I still have a long time to think about it.

    he made it sound like he got into both UCLA and NYU? can't be that bad...

    I did but...

    well the hs stats needed to get into nyu/ucla are a lot different than the ones you need to get into places like columbia and berkeley (lol).

    This.

    But instead of Berkeley, which again I say, has basically identical stats with UCLA for undergrads. For example, 2050 SAT makes you competitive for UCLA, Berk, NYU, USC... it makes your application a joke for Columbia. My test scores are Ivy League competitive, my highschool transcript however is one collective lulz (hint: when your college gpa is higher, you have a huge problem).

    applying as a sophomore transfer is pretty much like applying from high school because you haven't done much other than take a semester of freshman courses. op didn't have the grades/scores in high school, so yeah... one semester of college grades isn't going to change their minds.

    [​IMG]. I swear I'm going to ride you so hard (wait, what?) for info on Berkeley life that you will wish you never messaged me on that one faithful night. [​IMG]
     
  10. bach

    bach Senior member

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    For example, 2050 SAT makes you competitive for UCLA, Berk, NYU, USC... it makes your application a joke for Columbia.
    nitpicking here, but the average berkeley sat is like 2030, so 2050 isn't like AUTO ADMIT or anything. also, 25% of columbia admits have an sat of around 2050 or lower, so not a complete joke.
    [​IMG]. I swear I'm going to ride you so hard (wait, what?) for info on Berkeley life that you will wish you never messaged me on that one faithful night. [​IMG]
    you never replied. i must say i'm pretty butthurt, no homo.
     
  11. grit

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    USC is a good school, homie. Besides, if you're a superficial status whore, you probably are a good fit
     
  12. pebblegrain

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    I got into columbia, northwestern, williams, yale, stanford so it's hard for me to relate.

    just kidding (about the relate part)

    btw have you visited these schools you are interested in? they all have douchebags, trust fund fuckfaces, people who you can't figure out how they got admitted, shallow people, etc. on the same token, I'm sure USC has some cool people you can relate to.

    USC is a perfectly decent school. not sure how you could choose it over NYU or UCLA but that's done...
     
  13. mandom

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    There is really no such thing as a perfect school and a perfect fit. There will always be legacies in most universities. My take is that you hit your books and get serious. Change is from within buddy. I tend to agree with other posters that it is too late to transfer as a junior. It is better to swim forward than to swim back. USC is a good school, a "purportedly" better sounding school will not solve your problems. Same ole dog, different collar, but still a dawg.
     
  14. dave333

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    Junior? Probably too late.

    Not to mention it is very hard to transfer to Ivies. They either try to get people from community colleges, or people with special achievements or situations.
     
  15. Connemara

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    Nothing wrong with USC, except for the fact that it is USC. [​IMG]
     
  16. ConcernedParent

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    I got into columbia, northwestern, williams, yale, stanford so it's hard for me to relate.

    just kidding (about the relate part)

    btw have you visited these schools you are interested in? they all have douchebags, trust fund fuckfaces, people who you can't figure out how they got admitted, shallow people, etc. on the same token, I'm sure USC has some cool people you can relate to.

    USC is a perfectly decent school. not sure how you could choose it over NYU or UCLA but that's done...


    Die in a fire plz.

    But really, that's quite an accomplishment... where did you end up going and why did you pick it? I'm curious because I think I'm trying to leave my current school for what probably is all the wrong reasons.

    I've been to Columbia and I've been to UChicago/Northwestern. There are a lot of cool kids here; making friends and having fun hasn't been a problem. Like I said most of my desire to transfer is academic or prestige related.

    Junior? Probably too late.

    Not to mention it is very hard to transfer to Ivies. They either try to get people from community colleges, or people with special achievements or situations.


    Really?..... What's the deal with that?

    Nothing wrong with USC, except for the fact that it is USC. [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    Man, it's been a long long time since I recall Ohio State beating USC....

    nitpicking here, but the average berkeley sat is like 2030, so 2050 isn't like AUTO ADMIT or anything. also, 25% of columbia admits have an sat of around 2050 or lower, so not a complete joke.


    you never replied. i must say i'm pretty butthurt, no homo.


    I nitpick you! I said "competitive" for admission.

    And yeah, I had a draft saved but I never got around to sending it LOL.
     
  17. CouttsClient

    CouttsClient Senior member

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    Die in a fire plz. But really, that's quite an accomplishment... where did you end up going and why did you pick it? I'm curious because I think I'm trying to leave my current school for what probably is all the wrong reasons. I've been to Columbia and I've been to UChicago/Northwestern. There are a lot of cool kids here; making friends and having fun hasn't been a problem. Like I said most of my desire to transfer is academic or prestige related. Really?..... What's the deal with that? [​IMG] Man, it's been a long long time since I recall Ohio State beating USC.... I nitpick you! I said "competitive" for admission. And yeah, I had a draft saved but I never got around to sending it LOL.
    There are some incredibly intelligent people who end up at community college because of less than desirable life circumstances. I've hired 2 people with that story
     
  18. Mal

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    I would like to know what you plan on doing with a philosophy degree that isn't going to require more schooling making any choice now essentially irrelevant.
     
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    I would like to know what you plan on doing with a philosophy degree that isn't going to require more schooling making any choice now essentially irrelevant.

    This.
     
  20. brown eyes

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    Like I said most of my desire to transfer is academic or prestige related.

    That'll translate really well when you write a personal statement for those Ivy League applications.
     

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