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but it seems from here that at some point 30 years ago, capital-T Tech seemed to break away from the norms, dress code included, that most/all American businesses seemed to agree to, Then of course we have the invention of business casual in 1992 or so, a ploy by Dockers to sell weekend clothes to weekday warriors.
Smart take. I think there was a third factor as well, the mainstreaming of Hip-Hop during the 90's: MC Hammer, Eminem, Vanilla Ice(!).
The current short term trends are disheartening. I was recently reading a history of men's fashion over the last 400 years. During that time period men were wearing something around their neck to finish off the top block and frame/draw attention to the face over 80% of the time (ruff collar, stocks, cravats, modern necktie, etc). If current short term trends continue it can look bleak for the necktie. If things revert to long term trends however, I would say there is hope. As Dr. Ian Malcolm (Jeff Goldblum) says in Jurassic Park : "Life will find a way".Interestingly some men still enjoy wearing a suit and tie and hopefully this will never go away...
Before there was Chipp Neckwear there was Chipp. In the 80s throughPasadena Man,
There is always hope - smiling.
It is also possible that some men will always wear ties fashionable or not. Many weddings are going tieless but I think there is a strong possibility that ties will still continue to be part of many weddings in the future. So ties in the courtroom and at weddings will not be enough business for large tie makers. But for for a small niche business like ours I think we will be OK.
Not sure is this is an appropriate example but lawyers in the UK still wear wigs in court (I think).
I had a nice phone conversation with Paul Winston (Chipp Neckwear) the other day and he is 83 so he has seen lots of fashion trends and he was not hopeful about ties ever coming back they way they were before.
But he is still cheerful and very witty. I have read many of his online posts and I hope that he writes a book about his experiences.
I was a little kid during this era you were in the thick of so this is just me on the outside looking in, but it seems from here that at some point 30 years ago, capital-T Tech seemed to break away from the norms, dress code included, that most/all American businesses seemed to agree to, including earlier forms of technology companies, like pharma or aerospace. Maybe it was internet itself, which seemed so exponentially different than any technology that had come before, that attracted all sorts of nonconventional businessmen to the Tech space? Iono. Then of course we have the invention of business casual in 1992 or so, a ploy by Dockers to sell weekend clothes to weekday warriors. And now, Tech has so much financial power that it's the 800lb gorilla that all other industries reliant on people who can do math, like biotech, weapons, finance, actuary, cars, pretty much all the pillars of the 21st century machine, are competing against for human resources and thus has to mimic.
Basically you're saying that if money were no object, we'd do some silly **** just because the laws of society and of physics do not stop us. By this same logic, we would all be using Ferraris in demolition derbies, bathing in Perrier, and feeding A5 Wagyu to our pets. A solution that provides some improvement in sensory pleasure, I'll give you that, but simultaneously much costlier while also less practical. Look, I can think of a trillion impractical things I'd do if money/resources were no object (mostly involving wearing my 100% vicuna man-thong to a cocaine and Laphroaig fueled orgy with a platoon of $10,000/hr Scandanavian prostitutes who all have MD/PhDs and are all also former Miss Universes, but that's neither here nor there) but alas, money is finite and we all have to make compromises to optimize our resources.
This you?
In this Tailoring X Gridiron collab, do you mean you're wearing your dinner suit, or something more like cavalry twill trousers with OCBD, no jacket? One's more reasonable and the other is ridiculous, but nothing's too ridiculous for SF.
This reminds me: ever watch Peaky Blinders? This guys are constantly in three-piece suits because those were apparently the only clothing options back then, and they're all riding horses, walking through blast furnaces, going to farms, firing guns, all that mucky junk. I can only imagine how filthy their clothes are, but everything seems to be dark heavy tweed at least. I wouldn't try to do any of that with something out of the Loro Piana Australis or Tasmanian books. They also change into sportswear to do things like soccer or box, so there's that....
Pasadena Man,
There is always hope - smiling.
It is also possible that some men will always wear ties fashionable or not. Many weddings are going tieless but I think there is a strong possibility that ties will still continue to be part of many weddings in the future. So ties in the courtroom and at weddings will not be enough business for large tie makers. But for for a small niche business like ours I think we will be OK.
Not sure is this is an appropriate example but lawyers in the UK still wear wigs in court (I think).
I had a nice phone conversation with Paul Winston (Chipp Neckwear) the other day and he is 83 so he has seen lots of fashion trends and he was not hopeful about ties ever coming back they way they were before.
But he is still cheerful and very witty. I have read many of his online posts and I hope that he writes a book about his experiences.
Wouldn't the orgy be funner if they're dumb?
Nothing screams to me "obnoxious asshole" then men in dress shirts with no tie. It's an awful look of the nouveau riche pricks.
Nothing screams to me "obnoxious asshole" then men in dress shirts with no tie. It's an awful look of the nouveau riche pricks.