Is 650gsm casual overcoat heavy enough for Canadian winters?

[FlyingHorker]

https://www.spierandmackay.com/zanieri-rust-herringbone.html

It's designed for wear over suits/sports coats, but I plan on wearing it more casually with sweaters, t-shirts, OCBDs etc.

My concern is that it might not be heavy enough, despite other commenters in the S&M thread saying it is definitely heavy enough.

I converted it to oz and ended up with 19 oz. My peacoat is 32 oz. melton wool and anything less seems inadequate, but I don't know if that's true across all fabrics. The melton wool is also a blend.

 

[RogerP]

https://www.spierandmackay.com/zanieri-rust-herringbone.html

It's designed for wear over suits/sports coats, but I plan on wearing it more casually with sweaters, t-shirts, OCBDs etc.

My concern is that it might not be heavy enough, despite other commenters in the S&M thread saying it is definitely heavy enough.

I converted it to oz and ended up with 19 oz. My peacoat is 32 oz. melton wool and anything less seems inadequate, but I don't know if that's true across all fabrics. The melton wool is also a blend.

If you don't believe people there telling you it's heavy enough for winter warmth, why believe people here telling you it's heavy enough?

And besides - the question is too vague. Winnipeg winters and Toronto winters are not the same. And heavy enough for whom - someone commuting by car or train and outside for a relatively short time? Or someone walking 20 blocks to and from work every day? And what is warm enough for one person in those circumstances may not be warm enough for another.

Bottom line - if you're looking for a guarantee that the coat will be warm enough for YOU, chances are you're not going to get one.

 

[FlyingHorker]

If you don't believe people there telling you it's heavy enough for winter warmth, why believe people here telling you it's heavy enough?

And besides - the question is too vague. Winnipeg winters and Toronto winters are not the same. And heavy enough for whom - someone commuting by car or train and outside for a relatively short time? Or someone walking 20 blocks to and from work every day? And what is warm enough for one person in those circumstances may not be warm enough for another.

Bottom line - if you're looking for a guarantee that the coat will be warm enough for YOU, chances are you're not going to get one.

That thread is full of enablers, which is why I made a new thread for the question.

Let's say commuting, outside briefly for 10 minutes, and Winnipeg winters.

 

[flipstah]

Will you be layering? If so, should be okay but I wouldn't commute in that.

Gotta go down parka for commuting around the city. If it's the same as an Alberta winter and not humid, then layering will suffice but that's pushing it.

 

[RogerP]

Lol - no enablers here though!

Bottom line - I can't tell you if the coat will be warm enough to suit your preference. Neither can anyone else. Even here I see people commuting by train and they are wearing these huge freaking igloo-looking parkas that I would find TOO warm. So clearly what is warm enough for me is not warm enough for them.

As you're in Canada why not order it and at least try it on and if it feels too light and flimsy to you even when layered over a suit, then return it?

 

[Sdig14]

I intend to wear mine over my suit every single day in my winter in Alberta.

But I also drive to work and only go from parkade to the building and back at the end of the day and maybe walk a few minutes for a place for lunch.

I don't have a car starter, so when it is -25+, need something just for sitting in the car as well.

I also run warm compared to some. If you run cold, it likely won't work for the entire winter season.

But what coat does work all year? You likely aren't wearing a Canada Goose in -1 to -10. So just wear it likely in -15 or warmer and then get something else for colder?

I plan to use mine all winter. Will report back when it gets really cold out.

 

[FlyingHorker]

Will you be layering? If so, should be okay but I wouldn't commute in that.

Gotta go down parka for commuting around the city. If it's the same as an Alberta winter and not humid, then layering will suffice but that's pushing it.

Yep, I will be layering.

Thank you for the info

Lol - no enablers here though!

Bottom line - I can't tell you if the coat will be warm enough to suit your preference. Neither can anyone else. Even here I see people commuting by train and they are wearing these huge freaking igloo-looking parkas that I would find TOO warm. So clearly what is warm enough for me is not warm enough for them.

As you're in Canada why not order it and at least try it on and if it feels too light and flimsy to you even when layered over a suit, then return it?

That's the plan! I'm just impatient

I intend to wear mine over my suit every single day in my winter in Alberta.

But I also drive to work and only go from parkade to the building and back at the end of the day and maybe walk a few minutes for a place for lunch.

I don't have a car starter, so when it is -25+, need something just for sitting in the car as well.

I also run warm compared to some. If you run cold, it likely won't work for the entire winter season.

But what coat does work all year? You likely aren't wearing a Canada Goose in -1 to -10. So just wear it likely in -15 or warmer and then get something else for colder?

I plan to use mine all winter. Will report back when it gets really cold out.

I run warm.

I do have an alternative coat for year round use and that's the peacoat I mentioned in the OP.

 

[Sdig14]

Well, I'm in Edmonton, so would not be shocked if we get something in the -15 range pretty soon, ha.

I will try it out that day and keep you posted.

Could likely wear it with the collar up to stay warm, or add a scarf or both gloves to keep everything sealed as much as possible. The DB design inherently keeps the heat in well too.

 

[FlyingHorker]

Well, I'm in Edmonton, so would not be shocked if we get something in the -15 range pretty soon, ha.

I will try it out that day and keep you posted.

Could likely wear it with the collar up to stay warm, or add a scarf or both gloves to keep everything sealed as much as possible. The DB design inherently keeps the heat in well too.

Thanks man, I appreciate it.

Yeah I'll definitely be using a scarf, gloves, and flip the collar up.

 

[IJReilly]

A swedish MTM brand (Saman Amel) considers 450-750 grams to adequate for Stockholm winters, without "excess layering". My experience though, is that in the end nothing gets you through a really cold winter (some winters in Stockholm have actually reached -20c, although it is unusual) except technical outer wear. Elegant overcoats simply have their limits. Like someone else pointed out though, nobody knows how cold it is where you live.

 

[RogerP]

A swedish MTM brand (Saman Amel) considers 450-750 grams to adequate for Stockholm winters, without "excess layering". My experience though, is that in the end nothing gets you through a really cold winter (some winters in Stockholm have actually reached -20c, although it is unusual) except technical outer wear. Elegant overcoats simply have their limits. Like someone else pointed out though, nobody knows how cold it is where you live.

Not only that - give 5 people where he lives the same coat on the same cold winter's day, ask them if it was warm enough and you will not get back 5 yes or 5 no answers. People are different. Taking a straw poll of whether random people in different locations with different subjective preferences THINK a coat they have not seen will be warm enough for someone else entirely is not going to yield useful information. And of course, while responses are compiled and careful consideration given to the varied responses, the coat in question could be sold out in your size. Talk about taking a simple thing and making it complex!

And yes to your point about elegant overcoats having their limits.

 

[NoNameNecessary]

Yeah, so many enablers.
The main problem is your conversion doesn’t seem correct. Oz is calculated per square yard, gram is per square meters if I remember correctly. 650 grams should convert to 25oz or more

 

[flipstah]

Well, I'm in Edmonton, so would not be shocked if we get something in the -15 range pretty soon, ha.

I will try it out that day and keep you posted.

Could likely wear it with the collar up to stay warm, or add a scarf or both gloves to keep everything sealed as much as possible. The DB design inherently keeps the heat in well too.

I'm sorry to hear that. XD

Layering is key; easy to get warm/cool. My only reference point is a Gloverall duffle coat. If the wool thickness is comparable to that, then commuting with a sweater/undershirt combo is fine. Any thinner than that is bleh.

 

[FlyingHorker]

Yeah, so many enablers.
The main problem is your conversion doesn’t seem correct. Oz is calculated per square yard, gram is per square meters if I remember correctly. 650 grams should convert to 25oz or more

if true, this is is great news!

unfortunately it may not arrive for a while and it's now already cold.

just going to use my peacoat

 

[comrade]

If you stick to tailored clothing, these should work:

http://www.oconnellsclothing.com/O-Connell-s-British-Warm-Overcoat.html

This is even better:

http://www.oconnellsclothing.com/OC...ve-Tan-Whipcord-front-Full-Alpaca-Lining.html

I own a Burberry Balamacan that is made of the equivalent of Loden
Cloth- very tight weave and practically waterproof. It is very warm
with layers
http://www.oconnellsclothing.com/images/Z/salko-loden-topcoat-sa-18500z.jpg