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iPhone / Wireless iPod Coming Soon?

Discussion in 'Fine Living, Home, Design & Auto' started by Tck13, Oct 19, 2006.

  1. Babar

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    Name a feature besides iTunes and that isn't purely cosmetic or personal taste based (ie manual operation being done with a circular click wheel instead of a square or rectangular touch pad) that the iPod has that no other player has had before it. I can name several things off the top of my head that iPod DOESN'T have that some other players have, like a removable, exchangable, or standard battery. (yes, I know its POSSIBLE to change the battery in the iPod, but it was never MEANT for you to do so) How about a REAL software EQ, something more than a rudimentary few bands or crappy presets? How about FM recording? (sadly even this is becoming extinct, Creative is quietly dropping support for this due to pressure from the FCC, but as long as you don't update to the newest firmware, which removes the record option, you are still going to be able to do it) How about Stereo recording capabilities? etc. I could go on and on and on and on and on... But if your mind is already made up that you like them, I'm certainly not going to change it.


    More features=better product is a logical fallacy when no one's really interested in said features.
     
  2. Tokyo Slim

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    More features=better product is a logical fallacy when no one's really interested in said features.
    If no one were interested in features like changable batteries and EQ settings, I wouldnt be bitching about it now would I... Just because you are willing to settle for mediocrity with superior marketing doesn't mean that those who don't are WEIRD. How many people actually research what they might want in a music player, listen to a bunch of them to find out which ones sound the best, and then decide? Not many. But that doesn't make them RIGHT. That just makes them the victim of marketing campaigns.
     
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    How many people actually research what they might want in a music player, listen to a bunch of them to find out which ones sound the best, and then decide? Not many. But that doesn't make them RIGHT. That just makes them the victim of marketing campaigns.
    Well, most of the stuff you listed definitely caters to the nerdy Hydrogenaudio-esque audience as opposed to the average consumer (and even they are singing their praises for Apple's recent implementation of lossless playback!). If you compare mp3 players just by looking at their spec sheets, you'll get a very wrong impression of which is best in the real world. The iPod is a great device to use because of its impeccable design and simplicity. And design goes beyond pure aesthetics. When you use it, it's easy to see it's an extremely well thought out product. Stereo recording capabilities or not. And Apple didn't really spend tons of marketing on it until well into its life either--in the first few years there was that ad with the dancing Jeff Goldblum--so that point's moot.
     
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    And Apple didn't really spend tons of marketing on it until well into its life either--in the first few years there was that ad with the dancing Jeff Goldblum--so that point's moot.

    I think you underestimate the draw of Jeff Goldblum.
     
  5. skalogre

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    I have to agree with Slim. A lot of the draw of the iPod is due to the fact that Apple was the first company to manage to popularise through heavy marketing and full integration with their proprietary software the media player.
    The actual features the iPod line has that other players don't have are almost nil. But as you said Babar, the many consumers are not interested in anything more advanced than basically a stripped down player.
    I can also tell you that it does not take any sort of human factors genius to make something more usable by minimising the options and feature set of a system. The real challenge comes in actually being able to cater to both inexperienced users and experienced users succesfully. Why do you think Rockbox has been porting their OS to the iPod? And why is there a Linux-based replacement system for it? Lack of features and expandability that is important to many more people than you think.
    If I were to get an iPod I would immediastely put Rockbox on it. There is no way I would stick with iTunes and the built-in firmware.
     
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    I'm liking this DAP, the Meizu Miniplayer

    [​IMG]

    4 gigs, WMV/MP3/OGG/WAV/XviD playback, $169.
     
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    I'm liking this DAP, the Meizu Miniplayer

    [​IMG]

    4 gigs, WMV/MP3/OGG/WAV/XviD playback, $169.


    That looks nice. I wish iRiver would make the Clix with a normal hard disk.
     
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    I have to agree with Slim. A lot of the draw of the iPod is due to the fact that Apple was the first company to manage to popularise through heavy marketing and full integration with their proprietary software the media player. The actual features the iPod line has that other players don't have are almost nil. But as you said Babar, the many consumers are not interested in anything more advanced than basically a stripped down player. I can also tell you that it does not take any sort of human factors genius to make something more usable by minimising the options and feature set of a system. The real challenge comes in actually being able to cater to both inexperienced users and experienced users succesfully. Why do you think Rockbox has been porting their OS to the iPod? And why is there a Linux-based replacement system for it? Lack of features and expandability that is important to many more people than you think. If I were to get an iPod I would immediastely put Rockbox on it. There is no way I would stick with iTunes and the built-in firmware.
    Holy crap... I'm not alone! But personally I'd never get one. I hate watching people walk around zoned out with the white earbuds in. I feel like I'm trapped in some sort of friggin dystopian nightmare. I'll stick with using my ears to listen for oncoming traffic, and falling pianos and such.
     
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    Styleforum highlight number 2080: when people let Slim loose in an Apple thread

    I stumbled across a second hand G4 Cube the other day for $150 - think Ill go snap it up when I get back from Hanoi.
     
  11. skalogre

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    Styleforum highlight number 2080: when people let Slim loose in an Apple thread

    I stumbled across a second hand G4 Cube the other day for $150 - think Ill go snap it up when I get back from Hanoi.


    That sounds like a good deal; at the very least you can gut it and put something more modern in the case!
     
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    I have to agree with Slim. A lot of the draw of the iPod is due to the fact that Apple was the first company to manage to popularise through heavy marketing and full integration with their proprietary software the media player.

    Are you sure about that? It looked to me like the iPods popularity caught them by surprise? I thought the heavy marketing (for all of their products) came afterwards once they realized how popular it was becoming. I remember when it came out (I think) they seemed to release it in the usual Mac way but then had to scramble to make it compatible for regular PCs because everyone wanted one. I could be wrong, this was just my impression.

    I don't think people want all that much "stuff" on their iPods. It seems like most people want something that works and plays music. (Not that I care either way)
     
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    I don't think people want all that much "stuff" on their iPods. It seems like most people want something that works and plays music. (Not that I care either way)
    And video, and photos, and data storage, and limited PDA function, and text file access, and games! Wow, how sleek and simple! Too bad they couldn't put a stereo mic jack on it! Or allow you to change battery packs when the one it came with went dead after a year. You either have to void your warranty by making an "unauthorized alteration" to the product, or take it to one of the "Genius Bars" to pay $100 for a battery on a $300 year old peice of electronic equipment! That would make it far too complex! Nobody would want that! I just cannot fathom how some people can justify everything that Apple does as so "consumer friendly" and "design concious" and etc. It seems fairly obvious that there is a contingent of people who will buy an apple branded butt-plug if it costs $300, and comes in a white box. And that was your daily rant. I hope you enjoyed it!
     
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    ... I just cannot fathom how some people can justify everything that Apple does as so "consumer friendly" and "design concious" and etc. It seems fairly obvious that there is a contingent of people who will buy an apple branded butt-plug if it costs $300, and comes in a white box. And that was your daily rant. I hope you enjoyed it!
    Holy crap. Now there is an Apple presentation that Jobs would, uhm, find hard to deal with. The iPut. Easy. Slim. Apple. In a variety of tasty colours and optional tail attachments. The iPut. Just insert and go! [​IMG] P.s. will probably have some sort of firewire support, too!
     
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    On a related iPod note are there any other harddrive based MP3 players that are both Mac and PC compatible?
     
  16. skalogre

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    On a related iPod note are there any other harddrive based MP3 players that are both Mac and PC compatible?

    Basically any that are not reliant on proprietary software. The Archos AV line for instance, many iRiver devices, et.c. I can dig around for suggestions. One of the nicest around is the Toshiba S60 but like the iPods it needs proprietary software. I am expecting one in, will give you impressions soon.
     
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    And video, and photos, and data storage, and limited PDA function, and text file access, and games! Wow, how sleek and simple! Too bad they couldn't put a stereo mic jack on it! Or allow you to change battery packs when the one it came with went dead after a year. You either have to void your warranty by making an "unauthorized alteration" to the product, or take it to one of the "Genius Bars" to pay $100 for a battery on a $300 year old peice of electronic equipment! That would make it far too complex! Nobody would want that!
    Actually, for the past couple of years or so, battery life has become one of the strong points of the iPod. They now play for well over 20 hours per charge and last for years. And how can you void your warranty by replacing it after a year anyway? No, you seem quite hyperbolic in your arguments imo.
     
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    And how can you void your warranty by replacing it after a year anyway?

    I know someone who's video iPod battery needed to be changed after 10 months. Granted, he only had two months worth of warranty left on his ipod, had to pay the $100 anyways.

    Apple batteries are not covered under warranty. As is much of life. The least they could do is let you open the thing up and let you change parts they accept no liability for.
     
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    I know someone who's video iPod battery needed to be changed after 10 months. Granted, he only had two months worth of warranty left on his ipod, had to pay the $100 anyways.

    Apple batteries are not covered under warranty. As is much of life. The least they could do is let you open the thing up and let you change parts they accept no liability for.


    I swapped out iPod batteries for about $15. There are lots of thrid party batteries you can get (including required tools and instructional DVD). Having said that, the fact that you need special tools and an instructional DVD speaks volumes.
     
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    I swapped out iPod batteries for about $15. There are lots of thrid party batteries you can get (including required tools and instructional DVD). Having said that, the fact that you need special tools and an instructional DVD speaks volumes.
    presuming that the ipod is still under warranty, pulling the back off it yourself to change the battery will mean the warranty is void should anything else go wrong later.
     

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