Werd man, I find OSX to be absolutely frustrating to use. Apple Mice are retarded, I remember being forced to use a iMac in HS and use that worthless single button "cookie" shaped mouse that was uncomfortable and had a problem of clicking when I would just rest my hand on it. Like I said before I had no problems using code in DOS and Atari XT GUI wasnt bad either, Unix is ok but not something I would consider for day to day use. I never really liked the MAC it always seemed more trouble than it was worth to try and do anything I ever wanted in it. I think the mac does one really good thing and that is offer a computer that is super simple for basic tasks and shiny (probably still confusing for some of the simpletons who have no reason to even be behind the keyboard of a computer) and does not have the fuss of needing to compare its processors and features to compareable computers of other brands (as Apple is the only company). Shit if anything breaks on it the customer is pretty much SOL, cant upgrade majority of parts. So Basically only offering a couple basic options and then packaging it into a monitor and sometimes a desk lamp looking thing keeps people where they want to be with life handed to them nothing to really think about. There in lies the problem. Computers are too easy to use these days. You should have to learn a thing or two about how to properly use and opperate a computer before you can buy one. Would save tons of time with the Tech Support calls (and for some reason people have the idea that I should help them for free since I sold them a computer in my store. Thats what factory Tech Support is for. I dont have time to answer their asinine questions. They spout error codes at me like I care/know what the hell they are talking about over the phone, irks me just a bit). Another thing that kinda bugs me is that iPod is now the name of any MP3 Player to the majority of dimwhits that roam the streets. I have even seen kids at my school with white ear buds for other MP3 players (like a Sansa C250, which is black then they bought white aftermarket buds for it, lame!). I suppose that is the way things go though, most everyone wants to look or act trendy, even the kids that are against the grain (goths in the past, now Emo kids) are just as run of the mill as the preppy kids they just shop at different stores. Way wrong, why should we have to make computers easier to use? Restrict access to technology for what purpose.. elitism? Slim, why should an X stop the program? The X closes the window. File > Quit closes the program. Simple as that. Minimizing is retarded because it takes up start menu space. It's much better to keep the program running in the background but have all the windows closed. That way you don't have to start up Adobe programs from the splash screen every time, and at the same time you don't have clutter in your dock or start menu from minimizing. Instead, on one of those little dock icons, it puts a little black arrow underneath it so you know it's still running. Everyone who says Mac OS X is frustrating to use only says it because they grew up on PCs and so things only make sense when filtered through PC goggles. Completely and 100% incorrect. You CAN upgrade the parts. The only part that would be difficult to get ahold of would be the CPU. And I'm not sure how difficult it is, its just the only part off the top of my head that I am not 100% certain there is an accessible replacement for it. Look, some people don't want to think about how to build a computer because they just don't *CARE* that much. By your ridiculous standards, everyone would be required to be a computer nerd to simply use a computer to do things like upload photos, write word documents and email, surf the web, etc. Illogical and ridiculous. It's like those Porsche fanatics who think a car should be difficult to drive so people really care about it and learn their car. Great for them, not great for the other people who just want to get to work on time in the morning. This is exactly why I continue to defend Macs. I know you don't care what tool I use Slim, and on a lot of things we see eye-to-eye. I'd venture to say that I know quite a lot about computers. More than most people do, that's for sure. I don't know programming code, but I can fix pretty much any hardware or software malfunctioning in Windows and most of them in Mac (like I said, only been using OS X a couple years). That said, taking into account all of the things like software availability (downloadable 3rd party media players, bittorrent clients, audio editing tools, etc.), product/industrial design (I don't care if you don't like it Slim, but I'm not crazy nor ignorant on design principles, and Jonathon Ives has won several AWARDS [i.e. from people more reputable than you and I] for his designs for Apple), and general functionality of the OS X (all the things I mentioned, integration between program, intuitive functions), I just can't see how Windows could be perceived as overall better. I understand it's better for some stuff - games, the sheer amount of programs available, compatibility with Joe from buttfuck nowhere's program he uploaded, price. And BTW, goths and emos were always pathetic losers, even before they became mainstream. I've been in the music scene for many years, and I've always thought they were dipshits.