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iPhone finally here, the Western Civilization is saved

Discussion in 'Fine Living, Home, Design & Auto' started by mussel, Jan 10, 2007.

  1. mussel

    mussel Senior member

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    Apple just unveiled the long rumored iPhone. Apple shares went up more than 8%, single-handed pulled the Nasdaq index out of the red, while shares of cell phone and PDA device makers took a tumble. The button you can find on the phone is a control knob.

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  2. ghulkhan

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    haha man i want one so bad, do you know when its gonna be available for purchase?
     
  3. Stax

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    haha man i want one so bad, do you know when its gonna be available for purchase?

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  4. kimizz0

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    I wouldn't quite say we're saved yet. The iPhone still only uses 2.75G [​IMG]
     
  5. Tokyo Slim

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    I predict that the limited functionality of the phone, its price, and the fact that it is going to scratch and attract fingerprints like gangbusters are going to send the iPhone the way of the G4 Mac Cube... either that or they are going to dump a bazillion dollars into advertizing it like they did the iPod, and then everyone will buy it even though there are better phones out there, just like they did with the iPod.

    Apple wants to sell 10 million of these things by the end of the year... which means the probably need to sell 5-7million of them to break even up to this point. I think thats a little bit of wishful thinking.
     
  6. Tokyo Slim

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    Oh, and the REAL news today is that Apple has given up any pretense of being a "computer" company.
     
  7. victory

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    From what I've seen in the keynote, I think it's a solid phone. What would prevent me from getting one is the 2 year contract with Cingular and the price. Oh, also the fact that I'm in Korea right now.
     
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    Oh, and the REAL news today is that Apple has given up any pretense of being a "computer" company.

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  9. kronik

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    This was SO yesterday, you non-CES-following chumps. [​IMG]

    The fact that it does not support Exchange / Office has (for better or worse) effectively halved or more, its possible business user acceptance. It's more a "hip phone" like a RAZR, KRZR, RIZR, TAZR, BLZR, PHZR and on that front, I think it succeeds. I'm sure they'll convince enough people that they can't live without it and they'll reach their selling goal .. though 500 bucks with a 2y contract from Cingular exclusively kind of sucks..
     
  10. briancl

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    This was SO yesterday, you non-CES-following chumps. [​IMG]

    The fact that it does not support Exchange / Office has (for better or worse) effectively halved or more, its possible business user acceptance. It's more a "hip phone" like a RAZR, KRZR, RIZR, TAZR, BLZR, PHZR and on that front, I think it succeeds. I'm sure they'll convince enough people that they can't live without it and they'll reach their selling goal .. though 500 bucks with a 2y contract from Cingular exclusively kind of sucks..


    Apple has never really targeted business users. Very little of their products are geared for corporate/enterprise use. The little that does still isn't ideal for general office productivity, but more for specific tasks like graphics and music. I don't see the iPhone as a huge departure from this philosophy.

    In terms of pricing, don't forget, they are calling this phone a Widescreen iPod, so they are probably hoping that everybody's next iPod will be the iPhone. Jobs even broke the pricing down into how much people typically spend on a phone and how much they spend on an iPod and said that is how they decided on the price of the iPhone.
     
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    I think Apple just broken open the smartphone market to everyone, not just business users who are willing to put up with the limitations of current smartphones because of what they get in return. I've been using a Treo (600 and now 700p) for over 3 years, and I think Apple's basically done to the smartphone what the iPod did to MP3 players so many years ago: they've made a smartphone that does the things people find most important (phone, email, surfing, convenience info features) very, very well and very easy to use. For me, the music playback is just icing: I'd get the phone just for the email and web features.

    The scrolling and the gesture interface are also so very cool. If you've ever used a Treo, you'll also know how cool a design detail the proximity sensor is.

    --Andre
     
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    Wonderful. It will drop calls just like any other average phone, it will take horrible pictures via built in camera, it will play music straight to your head and show you super amazing funny and exciting videos. I am sad to say, but there is a huge market for all of this. And yes, Paris Hilton will get the first one for free.

    P.S. There was never any real sense in buying anything from Apple unless you are in a publishing business.
     
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    I don't understand the negativity.

    I watched all of the Keynote speech and I have to say I'm very very impressed with the iPhone. This is conditioned on real-life workability of their touchscreen system, but otherwise, this is what a lot of people wanted in terms of streamlining all their electronic devices. What it is is extremely convenient -- if you're ever on a long commute, an airport, waiting for friends, etc. this device will be the best integrated internet/phone/email system created thus far. And there's a lot of little things that also make this product better than what's been available so far. Things like random access voicemail, ability to listen to music and switch immediately to the phone without having to take off your earbuds, real IM-style text messaging, a real full web browser with easy zoom controls, etc. Once you appreciate the amount of useful ideas they've packed into this deviced on top of the obvious advantages of having all the functions integrated, it really is a bargain. I carry a blackberry for work, a Nano for music and a personal cell phone. It would be worth a couple hundred premium just to be able to integrated everything in a real satisfactory way, and this device allows that without a real cost differential than what you would have paid for already. I think there's a significant market for this because from everything I've seen, it's a very well-designed and easy to use machine.
     
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    I agree that it does put a lot in one device, and that's something I would like. But the cost is what kills it for me. If it's around $650 (after taxes) to buy, and a $100 a month to use, that's $3000 for two years of use. Not worth the premium for me, and the camera will surely not be good enough to replace my existing. Ditto for a lot of people with larger ipods.
     
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    I don't understand the negativity.

    I watched all of the Keynote speech and I have to say I'm very very impressed with the iPhone. This is conditioned on real-life workability of their touchscreen system, but otherwise, this is what a lot of people wanted in terms of streamlining all their electronic devices. What it is is extremely convenient -- if you're ever on a long commute, an airport, waiting for friends, etc. this device will be the best integrated internet/phone/email system created thus far. And there's a lot of little things that also make this product better than what's been available so far. Things like random access voicemail, ability to listen to music and switch immediately to the phone without having to take off your earbuds, real IM-style text messaging, a real full web browser with easy zoom controls, etc. Once you appreciate the amount of useful ideas they've packed into this deviced on top of the obvious advantages of having all the functions integrated, it really is a bargain. I carry a blackberry for work, a Nano for music and a personal cell phone. It would be worth a couple hundred premium just to be able to integrated everything in a real satisfactory way, and this device allows that without a real cost differential than what you would have paid for already. I think there's a significant market for this because from everything I've seen, it's a very well-designed and easy to use machine.


    Note, I agree with you almost wholeheartedly - the one thing I'm noticing people say, however.. is the ability for this thing to be a smartphone. It does not excel in that regard; it successfully has integrated a number of "lifestyle product" genres but the one I think it'll be the best at is of course, media playback. I would have LOVED for this thing to become my goto device.. unfortunately, it's just not feasible for me as my e-mail is Exchange-based.

    brian, I am not suggesting that Apple targets business users specifically - I would like to think, however, that at the price point this thing is touted at (which is usually reserved for the smartphone crowd.. which generally is targeted at business users), it would be more capable in that regard. It would not have taken too much for them to throw a lite version of Thunderbird up there, or at least, given you the potential to do so. They've, in true Apple form, locked up the ability to utilize it outside of their propietary format/design/state and that seems almost like an injustice on a piece of machinery this beautifully designed.
     
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    They're all just haterzzz. Pissed that apple just made another killer app (I dont think they'll sell 10mm by years end) that will force other phone makers to toe the line with them.

    Btw since its Cingular why couldnt it be hacked and made into an unlocked GSM phone?
     
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    Is it a beautiful device for allowing people to take their eyes off the road while driving?
     
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    Note, I agree with you almost wholeheartedly - the one thing I'm noticing people say, however.. is the ability for this thing to be a smartphone. It does not excel in that regard; it successfully has integrated a number of "lifestyle product" genres but the one I think it'll be the best at is of course, media playback. I would have LOVED for this thing to become my goto device.. unfortunately, it's just not feasible for me as my e-mail is Exchange-based. brian, I am not suggesting that Apple targets business users specifically - I would like to think, however, that at the price point this thing is touted at (which is usually reserved for the smartphone crowd.. which generally is targeted at business users), it would be more capable in that regard. It would not have taken too much for them to throw a lite version of Thunderbird up there, or at least, given you the potential to do so. They've, in true Apple form, locked up the ability to utilize it outside of their propietary format/design/state and that seems almost like an injustice on a piece of machinery this beautifully designed.
    I have yet to see any real evidence that this is a smartphone that can compete with Symbian/UIQ/Windows Mobile. We just have Job's Reality Distortion Field in full effect... "It's pretty - it does what I want (hence the world) - has the Apple logo - BUY IT NOW!" It is an overpriced lifestyle phone like kronik mentioned like the Razr, Rokr et.c. (which outside the USA are dinosaurs, btw).
    Is it a beautiful device for allowing people to take their eyes off the road while driving?
    Excellent point actually. WIth no tactile feedback, that will be a serious issue. For instance, I have speed dial setup so that I can call say my wife by holding down a key on my Nokia 6630. I don't need to look at the screen - I can feel where the number is, then hit the loudspeaker button on the phone's side to talk hand's free while I am driving. No messing with bluetooth, looking at screens, nothing. What happens here? P.s. its real target are phones like those pretty expensive Nokia that cost more than a Series 60 or Series 80 smartphone yet are basic Series 40 devices.
     
  19. skalogre

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    They're all just haterzzz. Pissed that apple just made another killer app (I dont think they'll sell 10mm by years end) that will force other phone makers to toe the line with them.

    Btw since its Cingular why couldnt it be hacked and made into an unlocked GSM phone?


    The only way that will happen with Apple being the control freaks they are would be if the provisions of the new laws against binding a phone to a service will go in to effect. But the price is with a new CIngular contract. So my guess is that Apple would price it a few hundred above the announced prices if they ever sell it sans plan.
     
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    Does this have any type of GPS?
     

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