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iPhone 5

Discussion in 'Fine Living, Home, Design & Auto' started by mussel, Mar 21, 2012.

  1. Jr Mouse

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    I don't know and actually disagree that this is certain. The fall release of the iPhone 4S could have been a fluke and Apple may want to get back on its regular schedule. I wouldn't put money down on a bet either way. :)

    JV, you shouldn't be wanting to upgrade a year old phone anyways. Just follow the natural path of every two years and save the money they give you for signing a contract. No one needs the latest iPhone, every single year.
     
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    i got my iphone on the pre-order because ive never had iphones before lol
    i was always a blackberry person and blackberry's product life cycle was really a lot longer than most other brands...
    and even their previous gen stuff, isnt "out-dated' as much as apple products..
     
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    Well I certainly can't say 100% because no one really knows. You are making it sound like a 50/50 bet right now and I'd say it's more like 85/15 that it's coming this fall. No one would be happier for a summer refresh than me, but I don't think Apple would release an iPhone less than 12 months after unveiling the last-gen.

    I agree that people shouldn't want to upgrade their iPhone's every year, however it really depends entirely on what the 'new iPhone' entails. If it's LTE (and I'm all but certain it will be) then it's natural for many 4S owners to want to upgrade to faster cellular speeds. Even if the phone itself, hypothetically, is virtually the same in almost every other regard.
     
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    I would give it more like 60/40, but that's just because I believe the rumors that the delay was caused by the problems they had in Japan. My gut says Apple will want to get back on a summer schedule, but again who knows?

    LTE wouldn't be enough for me if I had a 4S. Too much extra cash has to be spent to upgrade early. I can understand one wanting to, but it's just not worth it for me.
     
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    I hope you are right, but again, my gut says fall.

    I'm sure most consumers with a 4S would refrain from a potential LTE iPhone upgrade because of the dreaded early upgrade fee. (It was a $250 charge from AT&T last fall. Barf.)
     
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    You keep repeating this thing about the retina display and the PPI etc. Why can't they just increase the number of pixels?

    IIRC, when the 4S was coming out, there was some reason to believe that the processor couldn't handle more pixels, thereby ruling out a larger retina display. But to my knowledge, that is no longer necessarily a constraint, as nobody knows anything about the processor.

    This is if I understand all this correctly, and it's certainly possible (in fact likely) I do not.

    EDIT: That's not to say I think there will be a larger retina display - just commenting on its likelihood, which AFAIC is a total crapshoot. I for one would welcome a slightly larger display.

    EDIT 2: I do not believe they will have a Q2 release. It will be in the fall like the 4S. I can't wait for the release, though, as I'm on a 4 and it's getting a little long in the tooth.
     
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    Easy, if they did this it would cause app fragmentation. There is a reason they did an exact doubling of the iPhone's display resolution when they moved to the retina display and that is because it allowed for maximum app compatibility. All apps designed for the old resolution could be upscaled perfectly for the new screen. This gave developers time to go in and switch out resources for ones that met the new, double resolution.

    It's also the reason they did the same exact thing when they released the new iPad. Double resolution over the old iPad. Limited fragmentation and a fairly painless upgrade process for end users and developers.

    Apple will not simply increase the number of pixels slightly. It flies in the face of their overall, winning, strategy so far. We will see even doubling with iOS, or no increase at all.
     
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    Here are my renderings. Far from perfect, I know. Just wanted to do this to create an idea of what a 4" and 4.5" screen would look like on the current iPhone 4/4S form factor. The form factor on the paper is slightly larger than the current iPhone because I traced it. The screen sizes however are exact.

    Perhaps Apple would be forced to also increase the form factor in order to avoid a widescreen aspect ratio, however you can't deny that both of these, as a retina display, would be pretty amazing.

    [​IMG]

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    Yeah, I just don't see them ever going widescreen. Won't happen.

    Now will they ever create a new resolution standard for iOS phones so they can go larger then 4? Maybe, but I just don't see it happening. Certainly not so soon after they created the resolution standard they have now. Better to keep fragmentation to a minimum and phone portability to a maximum. Remember, Apple puts a lot of care into design AND usability.
     
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    What are your thoughts on the Lumia 900? Worse ppi than the retina display, of course, but I've always admired Nokia's hardware. I realize WP can't compete apps-wise and I tend to loathe all things Windows, but I'm excited to at the very least try this phone out in an AT&T store. Every time I look at the 3G icon on the iPhone I'm aware of it. I know the next iPhone is coming most likely in 5 months, but still....
     
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    I actually really like Windows Phone 7.5. It's far more interesting then Android and offers a lot of advantages that iOS does not. The biggest draw back is the lack of apps. Until the platform takes off better, it's going to be held back by this.
     
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    How does WP handle software updates? One of the worst things about Android is defragmentation plus not knowing for sure when a specific device will get the latest OS update. One of the nice things about the iPhone is that the latest OS is immediately available upon release.
     
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    That's the thing with Android, it's down to the manufacturers of the phones to provide updates. No one organisation really controls or licenses Android because it's open source, apart from Google with their Nexus phones.

    Presumably Microsoft will have control of Windows Phone. They may well roll out updates directly to the phones, like they do with Windows on PCs, or get the manufacturers to do it as part of their Win Phone licensing agreements.


    Yes because Apple has complete control of iOS, which is solely on their own products.
     
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    It's the biggest problem with Android and doesn't appear to be going away anytime soon. We are still seeing phones being released with 2.3 on them.

    My understanding is MS is making sure that older Windows 7 phones are getting updates. It may not be as timely as with iOS, but it's a much nicer experience then we are seeing with Android.
     
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    Got to play with the Lumia 900 this afternoon. My local AT&T had one. Not on the floor though, the sales rep had it in their pocket and was nice enough to let me mess around with it.

    Not really impressed. Feels solid in your hand but it's substantially heavier and larger than the iPhone 4/4S. Impressive colors but text is blurry compared to iPhone's retina display. It's a bit like using an iPad 1 or 2 and then using the 'new' iPad and seeing how much sharper the text is. The only thing that really impressed me was the 4G LTE speed. It's faster than wi-fi. So tight.

    I'll be curious to see if the public embraces this model and WP in general.

    Another thing, I put the 900 up to full brightness and it still wasn't as bright as my iPhone 4 at 75% brightness. The Galaxy Note was the same. Very odd.
     
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    Nokia lost a third of their customers in one quarter by ditching SymbianOS, WTF?
    http://www.itworld.com/mobile-wireless/260644/nokia-microsoft-certain-road-death


    Anyway, Apple would be stupid (they aren't) to release a phone with a screen larger than what they already have. It's a phone, if someone wants a screen, they'll buy a tablet in addition to or instead.

    I see feature bloat creeping up to screw up this entire market except for Apple. Not being able to operate the device, at least as a phone, one-handed is a major drawback.

    I even think 7" tablets/color e-readers are stupid.
     
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    I have no experience using Symbian but the UI looked alot more like iOS and Android and personally I prefer that interface compared to WP's 'live tiles'.

    I totally disagree that the iPhone screen should not get larger. I think a 4" retina display would be perfect. I find the current 3.5" to be too small and I'm pinching and zooming way too much. I'd be fine with a slightly larger form factor (height and width, equal depth) if it means a 4" retina display. I agree that one-handed operation is necessary and crucial.
     
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    Many phones here still come with 2.1 and 2.2. My Galaxy S has 2.3 on it, and I'm actually happy with it although it's CyanogenMod 7 rather than Samsung software. CM7 being outside of Samsung's control of course.


    Thing is I like Android, because I've been able customise my phone and make it really mine, rather than how the manufacturer says I should have it.
     
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    Even as I am fully satisfied with galaxy nexus, Im gonna give Nokia a shot, too. Soon as it is released on amazon. Dont like MS but the OS seems interesting (hopefully "interesting" doesnt fall into a slow death like WebOS).
    Hardware looks extremely compelling. Hopefully the small app ecosystem wont be a hindrance.
     
  20. blairh

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    It was available this morning at AmazonWireless for a penny. No joke. I think that went for current AT&T customers too. (I know they were offering it for free with a 2 year contract to new subscribers switching from another carrier.) But AmazonWireless had it this morning for a penny for I believe AT&T customers. Pretty crazy.

    Demand for the phone must be substantial because AW has now bumped up the price to $49.99. I think WP could eat away at Blackberry's dying audience and take a few customers away from Apple and Android. However they need to catch up apps-wise to really be a serious player moving forward.
     
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