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Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by demeis, Mar 9, 2005.

  1. topcatny

    topcatny Senior member

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    I actually hired interns years ago for Lord & Taylor. They do have a good program. If you are interested in retail buying, both Filene's and Lord & Taylor have excellent training programs as do Macy's and Bloomingdales. Don't know if it is a typo or not but make sure you call it Lord & Taylor....it's not plural and I know that was a little thing that turned people off in the recruiting process.
     
  2. demeis

    demeis Senior member

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    Cool, thanks i'm looking into macy's and bloomingdales right now
     
  3. demeis

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    Just thought i would post an update so i went to some stores today started at brooks, jpress, and paul stuart. None take interns and are all union labor. And the manager and some older associate at brooks and jpress treated me like shit, especially the guy at jpress. I went on to try Oxxford, the guy was relucant and we had a nice chat but said that they don't take interns and don't hire over the summer in fact they usually let people go cause its so slow. I tried T&A and is the only placed i had any real success. The guy was very friendly and personable, he was british for those who shop in the NYC shop. Took my resume and said he would give me a call after he talked to his boss. Tried Brioni, no luck there kind of got brushed off the guy i talked to wasn't that great of a person, at least what i gathered from our conversation. My last stop was ascot changs. The guy there was a pompous asshole who pretty much said you are to lower class to work here, considering imho that i was better dressed, who wears a button down with a black suit? Gave up after that cause i wasn't getting to far. The search continues with bigger companies like Saks, bloomingdales etc.
     
  4. drizzt3117

    drizzt3117 Senior member

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    You could always do the internship at Vitals magazine.
     
  5. kabert

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    Well Demeis, pounding the pavement has definitely worked for many people, as long as you can get your face in front of the right people. Have you tried the alumni network for your college? When I was in college, I found it immensely helpful to be able to review the employment information of alums in the city I was looking in -- then, I picked up the phone and called the ones that interested me. No one refused to talk to me, no matter how high up they were in a company or the government, once they knew I was a student at their alma mater. I got multiple paying and nonpaying job offers that way over the few years I was in college and my first year of law school. There must be some alums of your college working in NY or other city in the retail/textile/fashion, etc. business. Finally, if you put anything in writing, even a single typo, grammatical error, etc. may well sink your chances -- proofread.
     
  6. demeis

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    Tried that. We don't have any. I'm actually the first student that is going into this direction from my school. Kind of weird actually. I know there a few more below me and are looking to but i'm sort of their guinee pig when it comes tothis field.
     
  7. aybojs

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    Yeah it's actually that way at pretty much every college career services program. If you don't want to be an I-banker, teacher, engineer, or a community service/volunteer type, they're totally worthless. I remember mentioning a passing interest in clothing/fashion to a career services advisor and got something to the effect of "Um... well you could work in finance or marketing... for Abercrombie or the Gap." So yeah, unless you're at a vocational school, you'll get no help from that angle.

    Seriously, why is it so damn hard to get even an entry level position in clothing retail? I've been busting my ass sending in resumes and asking stores for the past few weeks and I can't even find an opening for a generic salesman/mall counter job, let alone a fancy internship (not viable because I can't relocate outside of Houston). Can someone here who's actually worked in a boutique/department store provide a detailed guide on how to get started?
     
  8. Lydia

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    Does it say there are positions there? I sent them an resume and cover letter and didn't hear any response.
     
  9. Alexander Kabbaz

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    If you know anyone looking for an Art/Art Education internship, my gallery and school is now interviewing applicants for (paid) Summer internships. Although not directly clothing related, interns do get to hang out in my shirt studio. If you know anyone, tell them to e-mail an expression of interest to: intern@ArtistsWoods.com
     
  10. topcatny

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    (demeis @ Mar. 17 2005,07:31) Tried that. Â We don't have any. Â I'm actually the first student that is going into this direction from my school. Â Kind of weird actually. Â I know there a few more below me and are looking to but i'm sort of their guinee pig when it comes tothis field.
    Yeah it's actually that way at pretty much every college career services program. Â If you don't want to be an I-banker, teacher, engineer, or a community service/volunteer type, they're totally worthless. Â I remember mentioning a passing interest in clothing/fashion to a career services advisor and got something to the effect of "Um... well you could work in finance or marketing... for Abercrombie or the Gap." Â So yeah, unless you're at a vocational school, you'll get no help from that angle. Seriously, why is it so damn hard to get even an entry level position in clothing retail? Â I've been busting my ass sending in resumes and asking stores for the past few weeks and I can't even find an opening for a generic salesman/mall counter job, let alone a fancy internship (not viable because I can't relocate outside of Houston). Â Can someone here who's actually worked in a boutique/department store provide a detailed guide on how to get started?
    What do you want to do in retail? Work in the buying office? Work in a store? Work with the visual department, Marketing?That will help me answer your question. Also, there are 2 big retailers based in Houston. Foley's and Stage Stores Inc. Foley's for sure has an internship program but I am not sure about Stage Stores.
     
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    At this point I just want to get my foot in the door, get an understanding of what exactly goes on, and build from there. I want to have direct interaction with the merchandise and the market, not sit in a cubicle and look over numbers. Cautiously, I would say that buying or working in a store setting is what I'm looking for (although I'm not entirely certain that a commission job is for me yet, in the case of the latter).

    One other thing that I would mention is that both my interest and knowledge are heavily skewed towards the high end market. I really want to work for a Neiman's or a Saks level retailer or a high end clother (because I know the clothes a lot better and I like them a lot more), and I was wondering if experience with lower market retailers is basically treated as worthless. If it's a must for higher level employment, I would consider a Foley's type store, but I'm wondering if my fears that doing so would relegate me to that market are justified (sorry if I sound like a snob there).

    Also, if it matters I'm a history major, which I imagine may exclude me from some jobs.
     
  12. Alexander Kabbaz

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    Insofar as the smaller shops, the answer is simple. They want to see you. They want to be able to judge your dress, your demeanor, and your sales potential. Suggestion as you're in New York: Walk into a few of them cold. (Herzfeld, Davide Cenci, Talbots and the like). When I still had my shop, I ignored resumes. I wanted the guys who had the ambition and drive to hoof it.

    As far as the large corporates, wait until you have a smaller store on your resume because resumes are all they understand.
     
  13. topcatny

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    Originally Posted by topcatny,Mar. 17 2005,10:14
    What do you want to do in retail? Â Work in the buying office? Work in a store? Work with the visual department, Marketing?That will help me answer your question. Also, there are 2 big retailers based in Houston. Â Foley's and Stage Stores Inc. Â Foley's for sure has an internship program but I am not sure about Stage Stores.
    At this point I just want to get my foot in the door, get an understanding of what exactly goes on, and build from there. Â I want to have direct interaction with the merchandise and the market, not sit in a cubicle and look over numbers. Â Cautiously, I would say that buying or working in a store setting is what I'm looking for (although I'm not entirely certain that a commission job is for me yet, in the case of the latter). One other thing that I would mention is that both my interest and knowledge are heavily skewed towards the high end market. Â I really want to work for a Neiman's or a Saks level retailer or a high end clother (because I know the clothes a lot better and I like them a lot more), and I was wondering if experience with lower market retailers is basically treated as worthless. Â If it's a must for higher level employment, I would consider a Foley's type store, but I'm wondering if my fears that doing so would relegate me to that market are justified (sorry if I sound like a snob there). Also, if it matters I'm a history major, which I imagine may exclude me from some jobs.
    If you want direct interaction with the merchandise and the market, then buying is what you should focus on. Â It is important that when you speak to potential employers that you have a good idea of what you want to do and why. Â For example if you tell them in an interview "I just want to get my foot in the door, get an understanding of what exactly goes on, and build from there" that is not going to get them interested. Â However, if when they ask you what you want to do you reply "I want to have direct interaction with the merchandise and the market", that shows them you know what you are looking for. Â Now granted all that may change down the road, but it is important that you can show that you have researched the job and have a good idea what you are interested in. Â Also, buying is not as glamourous as it seems. Â Market week is 4 times a year with assorted other shows and trips, but a majority of a buyers job is analyzing the business in a cubicle. You basically have a business to run and you need to figure out what sells and why and what doesn't and why. Â You have to be able to take your personal opinions and knowledge out of the equation sometimes. Â You may think Ferragamo's are crap shoes and everyone shouldn't waste their money on them. Â However, if they are your best selling shoes, you better be able to ignore your personal opinions and buy enough of them. Your job is to buy what sells. As for your interest being with high end stores that is a touchy subject for some in the industry. Â The idea is they want you to be interested in the job. Â Not interested only if you are buying men's sportswear. You use the same principles regardless of whether you are the men's suit buyer for Neiman's or you are buying Kenneth Cole sportswear for Foley's. Â I have spent most of my career working with women's apparel and in some ways it is easier then working in the men's industry. Â Women's clothing I can look at objectively and make a decision on whether something is right or not. Â My opinion on men's clothing is clouded by my own opinions and tastes. Working in a mainstream dept store will not prevent you from getting a job with Neiman's or Saks later on. Â As a matter of fact it may help you. Â At least then they will know that you are sure you are interested in a retail career after interning in Retail. Â For what it's worth, Neiman's does a decent amount of recruiting for college seniors every year. Â If they don't recruit at your school, you can always send them your resume. As for being a history major, that won't help you get any jobs in retail. Â But I was a double major in History and Psychology and look where I ended up.
     
  14. drizzt3117

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    (drizzt3117 @ Mar. 16 2005,18:47) You could always do the internship at Vitals magazine.
    Does it say there are positions there? I sent them an resume and cover letter and didn't hear any response.
    Someone posted the details in the "Vitals Magazine" thread
     
  15. demeis

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    I have lots of experience in higher end retail and i want to going into the marketing/buying aspect of it. I've been working in retail for the last 3 years moving from better and better stores. T&A was the only receptive one. A few other were like you know what your talking about but we can't hire you right now. I'm trying the larger business like bloomingdales, saks, and everything which like topcat said are acutally better. The one connection i had at the May Co. is no longer there. So trying to do this on my own and get it set up at my school and start getting connections. Everyone at my career services is really pushing me to do this cause they want the connections too. Hey alex you need an intern for you shop i'm cheap and a harworker? [​IMG]
     
  16. topcatny

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    Did you fill out the application for an internship at May Co. on-line? If memory serves me correctly, those applications go directly to the person responsible for recruiting students from colleges. You can also find the name of the Manager of Executive Recruitment, who is the person you are looking for, on the web site and contact them directly.
     
  17. demeis

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    (demeis @ Mar. 17 2005,14:58) I have lots of experience in higher end retail and i want to going into the marketing/buying aspect of it. Â I've been working in retail for the last 3 years moving from better and better stores. Â T&A was the only receptive one. Â A few other were like you know what your talking about but we can't hire you right now. Â I'm trying the larger business like bloomingdales, saks, and everything which like topcat said are acutally better. Â The one connection i had at the May Co. is no longer there. Â So trying to do this on my own and get it set up at my school and start getting connections. Â Everyone at my career services is really pushing me to do this cause they want the connections too. Â Hey alex you need an intern for you shop i'm cheap and a harworker? [​IMG]
    Did you fill out the application for an internship at May Co. on-line? Â If memory serves me correctly, those applications go directly to the person responsible for recruiting students from colleges. Â You can also find the name of the Manager of Executive Recruitment, who is the person you are looking for, on the web site and contact them directly.
    Yeh i did it for both the may co. and for bloomingdales. I need to find the info for saks and berdgof-goodman.
     
  18. cjl2g

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    hey if anyone can help me out that'd be cool

    so i got offered an unpaid for school credit only internship at a huge commercial real estate brokerage firm, but they need my school to give me credits for the course. only problem is my counselor says i need to take some courses in conjunction to receive the units. so my question is are units and credit the same thing? and would the firm allow me to just take the internship without the credit (or is it some liability issue). my counselor just went on holiday so i can't ask her.. [​IMG]

    thx!
     
  19. vincerich

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    hey if anyone can help me out that'd be cool

    so i got offered an unpaid for school credit only internship at a huge commercial real estate brokerage firm, but they need my school to give me credits for the course. only problem is my counselor says i need to take some courses in conjunction to receive the units. so my question is are units and credit the same thing? and would the firm allow me to just take the internship without the credit (or is it some liability issue). my counselor just went on holiday so i can't ask her.. [​IMG]

    thx!




    I'd suggest getting in touch with another advisor in your school's student center. Finding out what those other classes are and how they relate to the internship should be one of your main focuses.
     
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    If you want a job in fashion, at the buyer, merchandiser, marketing level, then go work at that company's retail location as a salesperson first, or even in the stockroom. This is where 90% of the corporate jobs in fashion recruit from. Once you get in a company at this level, mobility to better positions become very easy.

    If you can't secure an internship, I'd higly suggest going this route.


    But, some times they don't move you to a better position, esp. if you don't work near or at the flagship store near the Corp. offices. If you are good at what you do at another retial location, they like to keep you where you are, often promising that in another 6 months they will send you to corp, and when 6 months come around, they make another excuse and tell yuo to wait another 6 months.

    I know someone who has been playing this game for over 4 years. They keep on throwing him bones and he keeps on taking them, but at the end of the day, he is still just a SA.
     

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