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Interesting Age Observation

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by mrchapel, Jul 17, 2006.

  1. mrchapel

    mrchapel Senior member

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    Compared to some, I am considered "young" to be wearing suits and ties, etc. I can't go a day where someone at my work asks why I am "dressed up". People like to joke with me, "hey, going to a job interview?" to "going to a funeral?" or some other variation. My simple reply is no, just feel like dressing up.

    But to me, it's not dressing "up" or dressing stylishly because I am not fashionable. I wear what I want to wear; you want to wear your polo shirts and docker pants, perfectly fine. I enjoy wearing suits. Perhaps I am in a time warp; but it seems like most people in my age group (21) could care less what they wear. I am wondering, does this ever change?

    At what age did you start embracing your "sartoriality"? Every once in awhile several men in the office get together and wear a shirt and tie. Everyone looks good and compliments are handed around like a free round of beer, as it is a welcome change to polos/short sleeve monstosities and dockers/jeans I am sure this is the SF-AAAC Syndrome, because I have learned a great deal from here (although I only recently starting contributing, I lurked for at least a year), but at the same time have a hard time having to come up with a reason as to the way I dress. I don't feel I need one; everyone else feels I do.
     
  2. skalogre

    skalogre Senior member

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    It has a lot to do with perception of suits being constricting, uncomfortable, conformist and low-key.
    IMHO, a lot to do with lack of personal style and lack of understanding on how things should fit. A well fitting suit will not be uncomfortable, but try explaining THAT to people [​IMG]
     
  3. atomicmrg

    atomicmrg Active Member

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    I would agree with you. I am 19 and many of my peers simply are blissfully unaware of most sartorial matters.

    Like you, most of my coworkers at my summer jobs look at me strangely and ask why I wanted to dress up, or classmates at college will ask the same thing, even if I'm wearing only a buttondown shirt without a tie or jacket.

    I think it is unfortunate, and like you I notice that when these other folks get dressed up, it is all smiles and compliments, yet no one appreciates those who dress well all the time.
     
  4. mrchapel

    mrchapel Senior member

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    It has a lot to do with perception of suits being constricting, uncomfortable, conformist and low-key.
    IMHO, a lot to do with lack of personal style and lack of understanding on how things should fit. A well fitting suit will not be uncomfortable, but try explaining THAT to people [​IMG]


    That is very true. I sometimes get questioned; isn't that uncomfortable? No, because the suit fits, I was careful about my purchase. I'm a firm susbscriber to the ideal that because there are so many ill-fitting, fused pieces of garbage that pass as suits and are at a low price point (e.g. Target, Stafford, etc.), that it makes men shy away from wearing suits unless their job requires it, or they have a specific function that requires one.
     
  5. nmoraitis

    nmoraitis Senior member

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    mrchapel, you can give people the same response that I give people when they ask me why I wear a dress shirt, trousers and a tie to work; because I enjoy it! I am one of the only ones who does this, and everybody thinks it's weird. I embraced my "sartoriality" when I was 23, which was two years ago. The most unfortunate thing about embracing your "sartoriality" is that when you go anywhere, you begin to notice is how poorly dressed people really are! [​IMG]
     
  6. mrchapel

    mrchapel Senior member

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    mrchapel, you can give people the same response that I give people when they ask me why I wear a dress shirt, trousers and a tie to work; because I enjoy it! I am one of the only ones who does this, and everybody thinks it's weird. I embraced my "sartoriality" when I was 23, which was two years ago. The most unfortunate thing about embracing your "sartoriality" is that when you go anywhere, you begin to notice is how poorly dressed people really are! [​IMG]

    That is definitely true! Just today at lunch, a gentleman in front of me was dressed in a nice pair of trousers and a nice shirt -- but the fit was horrible. The shoulders did not fit properly, as they were sagging down towards the middle of his biceps. The shirt sleeves were bunched up towards the elbow, and the trousers were sagging at the waist and had a bit of a dramatic break that bunched up on the heel of his Rockports. If I have learned anything as a result of participating in this community, it is that clothes that fit well look the best.
     
  7. Get Smart

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    I think it's easier to wear a suit in 2006 at 18-24 then it was, say, 10 years ago. Suits are making a renaissance, proven by the spike in suits sales over the past couple seasons...and more young guys want to wear suits since all the "cool indie" bands are well sussed these days. I hope this continues for the next 10 years before the pendulum starts swinging back the other way. I was the same way at 24, wanting to wear a suit everyday...and did so with a fuck you attitude.
     
  8. edmorel

    edmorel Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    I first started getting my suits and shirts MTM when I was working in the mailroom of a Wall St. private bank back in 1991 (granted it was only Mohan's and La Rukico!). I was in my first year of college. Early on I lived by the Oscar Wilde adage "Dress for the job you want to have, not the one you have" or something to that effect.
     
  9. DocHolliday

    DocHolliday Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    I first started getting my suits and shirts MTM when I was working in the mailroom of a Wall St. private bank back in 1991 (granted it was only Mohan's and La Rukico!). I was in my first year of college. Early on I lived by the Oscar Wilde adage "Dress for the job you want to have, not the one you have" or something to that effect.

    I don't think that's Mr. Wilde. He'd be more likely to advise, "Ambition is the last refuge of the failure" or "Hard work is simply the refuge of people who have nothing whatever to do."

    My favorite Wilde quote: "Most people die of a sort of creeping common sense, and discover when it's too late that the only things one never regrets are one's mistakes."
     
  10. tbabes

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    Compared to some, I am considered "young" to be wearing suits and ties, etc. I can't go a day where someone at my work asks why I am "dressed up". People like to joke with me, "hey, going to a job interview?" to "going to a funeral?" or some other variation. My simple reply is no, just feel like dressing up.

    Just curious, but what sort of work are you doing? Are you typically the most "dressed up" person at work?
     
  11. kitonbrioni

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    I've noticed that even in luxe stores men who belong to AARP all wear ill-fitting polos, elastic waist short and sneakers. There must be a memo that comes out daily to them. Maybe it their attempt at reverse snobbery--you have to wear a suit but I can be a slob.
     
  12. dirk diggler

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    don't worry - I am 35 and work in a professional office. I am embarrassed to have "outsiders" come in b/c you can't tell the professionals from the office staff. For what it is worth, I got 4 separate compliments from older women in the office yesterday who each lamented the "good old days" when people dressed up to go to work. keep your fingers crossed . . . . .
     
  13. jayson

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    I am fairly young too and agree with your sentement that you get weird looks sometimes from your peers. Especially when you are only a few years out of college. Wearing a suit makes gives you more confidence though, and I think people tend to listen to you more when you talk as well.
     
  14. dirk diggler

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    when I was in college, esp. freshman year, I wore a tie to work everyday. don't know why, just did. girls thought I was a senior and i bought liquor without a fake id or questions. so - yes it does pay to dress well.
     
  15. JR_Rider

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    Compared to some, I am considered "young" to be wearing suits and ties, etc. I can't go a day where someone at my work asks why I am "dressed up". People like to joke with me, "hey, going to a job interview?" to "going to a funeral?" or some other variation. My simple reply is no, just feel like dressing up.

    But to me, it's not dressing "up" or dressing stylishly because I am not fashionable. I wear what I want to wear; you want to wear your polo shirts and docker pants, perfectly fine. I enjoy wearing suits. Perhaps I am in a time warp; but it seems like most people in my age group (21) could care less what they wear. I am wondering, does this ever change?

    At what age did you start embracing your "sartoriality"? Every once in awhile several men in the office get together and wear a shirt and tie. Everyone looks good and compliments are handed around like a free round of beer, as it is a welcome change to polos/short sleeve monstosities and dockers/jeans I am sure this is the SF-AAAC Syndrome, because I have learned a great deal from here (although I only recently starting contributing, I lurked for at least a year), but at the same time have a hard time having to come up with a reason as to the way I dress. I don't feel I need one; everyone else feels I do.


    I feel your pain. I am 21 too, and hear the SAME thing. One of my friends tries to hate on me when he sees me dressed up, because he knows I'm flyer than he is. There's one thing I do know though, and that's you only get one first impression, and I promise you, a suit will make a good one.
     
  16. acidboy

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    I feel your pain. I am 21 too, and hear the SAME thing. One of my friends tries to hate on me when he sees me dressed up, because he knows I'm flyer than he is. There's one thing I do know though, and that's you only get one first impression, and I promise you, a suit will make a good one.

    pardon my ignorance of youthspeak, but what does "hate on me" and "i'm flyer than he is" mean?
     
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    I give students an earful if they are going to stand there in t -shirts and butt crack jeans and critique my clothes.[​IMG]
     
  18. alexpham

    alexpham Well-Known Member

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    pardon my ignorance of youthspeak, but what does "hate on me" and "i'm flyer than he is" mean?

    "hating" on someone is judging and making fun of them. used in conjunction with the phrase "cock-blocking" often.

    being "flyer" than someone is being cooler or being more stylish. as in "ma bitch is flyer than yours." [​IMG]
     
  19. ratboycom

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    My older brother, a younger Cousin, and I all dressed in Suits one day to go shopping at the mall, we all looked good but on our way out some young girl (probably my age, im 21) said we looked like whores. this rasied a serious question. What kind of whores is this girl hanging around? Also we recieved many a strange look as Spokompton it is odd for someone to wear something more than a dirty old Tshirt and jeans or a Abercrombie Polo and shorts (depending on what side of town you are on). People probably just thought we were some Mofisioso.

    I must note that my normal wear to work is a nice clean Graphic Tee and good quality jeans. I would never be able to wear a suit to my job and have to change when I get to and get off of work. (auto tech for just a little bit longer before I leave for the land of the rising sun)
     
  20. clownmitts

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    I'm 29 and I know that most of my friends and I are starting to move into management positions. Amongst us, I've noticed that we spend a lot of time trying to learn about dressing properly, something a lot of my peers seem to ignore. I don't know what it is but there seem to be two groups of younger professionals these days - those that make an attempt to look professional and those who are satisfied to wear vendor golf shirts. I remember reading somewhere that there seems to be a renaissance in men's fashion these days and more and more men are making an effort.
     

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