Integrity of Shirt Collars - Proper Way to Tie a Tie

[cheps]

I went to talk to a tailor last week about potientially ordering some MTM dress. He noticed that my dress shirt collar had a bubbly~lumpy top at the fold of the collar and told me that it was like that because I have been tying my tie incorrectly (I just thought it was because it was an old Van Hausen $20 dress shirt).

He stated that if you flip up the collar to tie your tie, you break the integrity of the collar. He said if I come back to order the shirts, he would show me how to properly tie a tie without breaking the integrity of the collar.

Does anyone here know what he is talking about and how to properly tie a tie?

Also, he is Daniel James, located in Torrance, CA. I tried to find some information on him prior to ordering shirts from him but I can not find anything online. Does anybody have experience with him?

Thanks

 

[Ed Sullivan]

http://www.bensilver.com/style04/knots_home.htm

 

[TheFoo]

Put the tie around the collar band of the shirt, underneath the collar, without folding the collar up, before knotting the tie. It helps to do this while the shirt is still on the hanger. Despos taught me trick. I used it on my wedding day--it works wonderfully and makes a huge difference if you have soft collars.

 

[FidelCashflow]

what does it mean "to break the integrity of the collar" I'm confused.

 

[StopPolloition]

Sometimes people who flip the collar up to the tie the tie will fold the collar back and catch the tie in the fold and make it not fold crisply. I think this is what he means.

 

[calvinloke]

Originally Posted by mafoofan

Put the tie around the collar band of the shirt, underneath the collar, without folding the collar up, before knotting the tie. It helps to do this while the shirt is still on the hanger. Despos taught me trick. I used it on my wedding day--it works wonderfully and makes a huge difference if you have soft collars.

Do you mean we slide the tie into the collar while it's still on the hanger? I'm not sure how you did it without flipping the collar.

 

[Dragon]

Originally Posted by mafoofan

Put the tie around the collar band of the shirt, underneath the collar, without folding the collar up, before knotting the tie. It helps to do this while the shirt is still on the hanger. Despos taught me trick. I used it on my wedding day--it works wonderfully and makes a huge difference if you have soft collars.

hmmm...cool...thanks for the tip. I will try Monday morning

 

[NaturalShoulder]

I have had this problem with my Mercer shirts. Thanks for the advice.

 

[Journeyman]

Frankly, I think that the collar "bubbled" simply because it was cheap and/or poorly made, not because of any tie-tying method.

However, when I tie my tie, I tend to flip the collar up when my top button is undone, thread my tie around my neck, flip the collar back down, do up the button and tie up the tie. I have found that, on some shirts - particularly those with harder collars such as those by Tyrwhitt - it can be quite difficult to flip the collar back down again once the collar is buttoned up. Therefore, it's much less of a struggle if you flip it back down, do up the button and tie the tie.

 

[Roikins]

Originally Posted by Journeyman

Frankly, I think that the collar "bubbled" simply because it was cheap and/or poorly made, not because of any tie-tying method.

However, when I tie my tie, I tend to flip the collar up when my top button is undone, thread my tie around my neck, flip the collar back down, do up the button and tie up the tie. I have found that, on some shirts - particularly those with harder collars such as those by Tyrwhitt - it can be quite difficult to flip the collar back down again once the collar is buttoned up. Therefore, it's much less of a struggle if you flip it back down, do up the button and tie the tie.


Yep, that's how I tie mine. I find it's easier to flip the collar up/down with the top button is undone because the collar is relaxed.