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Info: Best Ties List

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by heard546, Dec 1, 2008.

  1. taxgenius

    taxgenius Senior member

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    Shouldn't Drakes be in tier 1?
     
  2. Lear

    Lear Senior member

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    I recently had Kiton make me a stunning navy plain tie. Wait time was less than a month. Love it for the construction and quality. They were able to make it as an extra long 7-fold - I know it ain't really that many folds - for no other reason than I like hearing the word. The silk is medium weight, but.absolutely nothing compared to the 7-folds that Loro Piana have done me. They've got to be the heaviest ties I own.

    The folk at the Kiton are a pleasure to deal with.

    Lear
     
  3. ASH007

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    Dunhill 7 folds are excellent
     
  4. AlexE

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    would think so too.
     
  5. Kai

    Kai Senior member

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    Carlo Franco should be in tier 1. I have ties from Kiton, Isaia, Charvet, and Hermes. The Carlo Franco ties are equal to or better than any of them.
     
  6. Greenhorn

    Greenhorn New Member

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    True, in the original post (in the Ask Andy forum, 2007) Carlo Franco and Sam Hober were nominated for Tier 1 with Kiton, Isaia, etc., but were left out from this post somehow.
     
  7. KObalto

    KObalto Senior member

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    ^ Assuming you receive them (Carlo Franco), I suppose.
     
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  8. idfnl

    idfnl Senior member

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    Thanks bro!

    Re T Pink, its not so much construction quality as it is charging the same $ when you are paying much less to have them made. Would have trouble believing the construction quality is as good anyway.



    Definitely.





    Pink is better than H Boss, but many of these are made at the same factories. Very few makers actually make their own ties. Most of these large fashion houses outsource almost everything.
     
  9. staxringold

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    Judging by the regular Dunhill I've got I can only imagine how nice the 7 folds are.
     
  10. Kai

    Kai Senior member

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    Last month, I bought 4 Carlo Franco ties.

    No problems.
     
  11. newyorknoir

    newyorknoir Senior member

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    Burberry ties are meh.. Gucci ties are horrible.. Dolce & Gabbana ties..... all of these brands appeal to a contemporary aesthetic and make ties that are really too fashion-forward to be taken seriously in a discussion like this. I don't think quality is emphasized by any of these designers in the respect that we think of quality here on styleforum. I've never owned a YSL tie but I'd have a hard time believing that they vary widely—same with Lanvin. Do you know of different factories that these ties are produced in? I'm not sure about some odd back-catalogue tie that you'd find at 60% markdown ("special offer") on the internet, but the ties they carry at the boutiques all seem to be of similar quality/construction and are sold at a similar (if not universal) price point. Perhaps you were talking about Christian Dior? I always thought that was a diffusion line.. None of their ties have ever struck me as appealing either.

    When it comes to high fashion, I'd never buy Gucci, Burberry, Lanvin, YSL, or Dolce Gabbana from an independent vendor aside from an established industry leader. As far as Dior Homme—all the ties are around $190 and don't vary much in price. The boutiques around the world all carry similar stock—primarily dictated by what you see on the runway. I've never heard of "high end" Dior... I've never heard of Dior Homme ties varying in quality unless again you are talking about Christian Dior or some sort of diffusion that they don't carry or market as mainline. All Dior Homme ties I've ever owned (or have seen in recent years) are made in Italy.. Aside from quality, again, would you even take a brand like Dior seriously in this kind of discussion?
     
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  12. newyorknoir

    newyorknoir Senior member

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    +1.. also a shame that this was posted 3 years ago and it appears as if nothing has changed..
     
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  13. idfnl

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    Re Dior, I would, actually. What you don't seem to grasp is that most of these ties all come from the same factories and its more about where it was made than the label on it. I have a Dior in my private collection, its a knockout in terms of quality. Truth is most Dior are not.

    Having handled 100,000s of thousands of ties, I can tell you that quality varies widely among most brands. You are judging this by a single season and a single visit to a shop where you see one set of product all made in the same factory. The next season may bring a new trend, new factory, new silks. It changes. Designers come and go, silks change, tastes change, economics. I think the difference between your comments and mine are that I am looking at this from a long term perspective.

    Take Zegna for example. The early ties were excellent. Then they went thru this period in the 90's when they went to thinner silks that fell apart easily (not to mention ugly as shit). Then they changed and went to much better quality again and found some taste. My judgement is against this spectrum, not a single season.

    And most Gucci ties I have seen are nice quality. Maybe not patterned to my taste, but overall well made.
     
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  14. Claghorn

    Claghorn Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    I can speak to Dior ties. The two I have are absolute POS. They don't even make it to the "ties I don't wear" hangers. They are in my "trash tie pile" (a pile of ties in my utility room...it's an actual pile). I'm sure they have a few good ones on the higher end...but I think higher end of any brand will be better than decent. I YSL was mentioned earlier. There are two YSL in that trash pile as well. Again, I'm sure that they make some good ones, but brands that depend more on name recognition than quality are more likely to try and get by on name alone (and invest less in some of their product lines).
     
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  15. KObalto

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    Wel l it seems that having reviewed this thread - one does get a sense of what are the better ties. I guess there are really two issues (discounting the price question) 1. Quality and 2. design pattern
    Its a bit like a quality car - It may be superb quality but if it looks like %@, then what do you have? Since a tie is largely cosmetic to your overall look and really intended for the other person looking at you, then this is extremely important. I have liked Zegna ties but have seen a raft of terrible patterns and wouldn't wear some of them if they was free. My conclusion is that with a base level of ties that make one list of great ties. The list should be divided into two lists (same ties) one for quality and 2 for design. Quality might be self evident but design might be rated in terms of overall consistency.

    My 2 cents anyways
     
  17. taxgenius

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    Consistently good or consistently bad, or does it make a difference?
     
  18. comrade

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    Tier 1 Deadstock: Sulka
    (if not alreaady mentioned)
     
  19. Claghorn

    Claghorn Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Putting Thomas Pink in there for T2. Though their quality has gone down in the last couple of years, they make great knots and drape well.
     
  20. suited

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    I always end up with a superb knot with Tom Ford. I have a Zenga that does the same, but I've seen a lot of so-so zegna.
     
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