So here I am in no-mans land. 38s jackets always fit fantastic. I usually still need some work on the sleeve length, a little work in-between the shoulders, and get some work done to bring in the sides a bit. Not much actually, and some are close right off the bat. My issue comes with the pants. 38 with what I've been finding as a drop 6 kills me. It's not the waste itself as I know I can get that let out a bit. The front going down to the upper thighs is just too tight unfortunately. Now I have to go up to a 40s and the jackets just don't fit as well, albeit there is less work I'd guess than trying to work with limited fabric in the pants where I need it. So I know Hugo Boss isn't a fan favorite, and I do own a couple and they fit very well wearing a 38s or a 40s in slim. I have a Canali in a 40s that works well but it needs a lot of work as I feel like I'm starting to swim in the jacket, but the pants are good. Does anyone have any experience with suits that have the same type of fit a the HB? Maybe a brand that is drop 4 in a slim which may work well? I've tried Isaia, Valentino, Hickey Freeman, Armani, etc. All basically the same problem. Jacket fits great, especially the Valentino, pants are useless. Great site- I always look forward to the group think tank!