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'iGent Myths Busted!'

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by VRaivio, Feb 9, 2013.

  1. bertie

    bertie Senior member

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    Wikipedia includes the following in its description of a gentleman:

    "In its best use, moreover, gentleman involves a certain superior standard of conduct, due, to quote the 8th edition once more, to "that self-respect and intellectual refinement which manifest themselves in unrestrained yet delicate manners." The word gentle, originally implying a certain social status, had very early come to be associated with the standard of manners expected from that status. Thus, by a sort of punning process, the "gentleman" becomes a "gentle-man"."

    The characterization of iGent seems to lose much of this grace
     
  2. Manton

    Manton Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    It was really worse than it, it wasn't so much that we had people saying "no" it's that no one could quite figure out who had the actual rights and the most likely candidates--Conde Nast and Hearst--just didn't want to be bothered. So they insisted on a laborious process for each picture that would have been harder than actually producing the book. And then at the end of the day they wouldn't even confirm whether they actually owned the rights or not. I think they honestly didn't know, didn't care, had other things to do, and just wanted us to go away.
     
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  3. Lovelace

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    There's a new (old one) on Amazon about $1800. Serious money for any book.

    I noticed it only goes up to '74, which is pre-disco!
     
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  4. Manton

    Manton Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    That's when it was published, there never was another edition that I know of. It's always been expensive but that's quite a premium these days.
     
  5. RSS

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    Bertie, these days gentlemen seem to me a rarity ... possibly on the verge of extentiction. I hope something changes.

    I certainly don't think I qualify ... although I try.
     
  6. RSS

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    I've been out of the loop so long. Are there any current style books -- in the last few years or so -- worth the purchase?
     
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    Like for a someone such as yourself or a beginner how-to book?
     
  8. bertie

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    RSS - I think it is by definition aspirational. Trying, in this sense, is 90% of the battle.

    As to recent style books, it seems there are the bookends of nostalgia (Sherwood's Savile Row) or the modern Esquire/Details handbooks.
     
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    Well, damn. Sorry to hear that. That would have been excellent.
     
  10. RSS

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    The resistance to black suits predates the Internet. I tried to get Anderson & Sheppard to make a black funeral suit back in the late 70s. They insisted it be charcoal.

    That said, just this week I was standing on line and the person in front of me was wearing a truly beautiful black suit. Not one of the dead black variety that are so common. This one was quite alive.
     
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    More my speed.
     
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  12. The Thin Man

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    Two books titled "Bespoke" about Savile Row: Richard Anderson's insider account and James Sherwood's illustrated history. If you decide to write a book about your own experiences with Savile Row, I can think of a good title for you.
     
  13. RSS

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    Thanks Thin Man. I'll look for the Sherwood book. Richard sent me a copy of his.
     
  14. Lovelace

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    Black suits are an interesting one. They are seen as too severe for day wear these days. De rigueur in days of yore.

    Its also a colour of cloth that benefits from a bit of sheen or finish. It can look a bit dingy without. Mohair in black is beautiful for example. Faille is another cloth that works well in Black.

    I see it as a cloth best suited to a more fashionable look these days.
     
  15. Manton

    Manton Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    I really enjoyed the A&S vanity book as well.
     
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    Manton, I just want to say that when I read the above post, I felt a great sense of relief come over me.
     
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  17. RSS

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    That is precisely why I liked the particuarl suit I mentioned.

    Agreed ... and I've come to realize that has its place. My Richard Anderson diagonal pinstripe (on black) serves that purpose for me.
     
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    Another problem with black is that whilst its easy to accesorise, its very limited.

    You can't move much beyond a monochrome look.

    Which in certain circumstances can look good. Out clubbing and the like.

    Diagonal pinstripe?
     
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    It's been posted -- and dished -- before. It's something I'm comfortable wearing for an evening out in San Francisco, New Orleans, and New York. But not in ... say ... Jackson, Mississippi.

    Okay ... here goes:
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    That thing seriously has like a moire effect going on.

    I have a headache now :(
     

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