If your wardrobe is too large, you end up looking worse.

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by radicaldog, Oct 9, 2009.

  1. Cary Grant

    Cary Grant Senior member

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    You still have a little bit left on the side of your mouth. slurp slurp

    If you were well read here you'd know why I am one of the last at whom you should direct that criticism.

    (so stop jerking off on my picture)
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  2. voxsartoria

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    Mr Vox, your exposÃ[​IMG] and illustrations would be certainly convincing if they were not so blatantly biased and carefully picked to favor your theories.

    Among widely known examples, do you think that Luciano Barbera and Luca Rubinacci are bad ones? (BTW, I would guess both guys have large wardrobes, getting back to the other notion in this thread.)

    Let's do some more sprezz, shall we?

    Over the top lived in sprezz is very French...even more so than the Italians. Sprezz is not really Anglo-Atlantic. Here's Jean Cocteau:

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    I think that Cocteau can be thought of having a great personal style. He's certainly got sprezz out the ying yang...look ma, both cuffs undone and turned back! He had a large wardrobe. And yet, while he lived in his clothes, you will find that his clothes were pressed and cut very precisely.

    Unlike Barbera, he kept this up into old age.

    Shall we queue up the DoW? Barrymore? How about Agnelli? Do you know who looks pretty comfortable and lived in these days?

    Flusser:

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    My point here is not to say that "lived in" is styleless, only that the question of style is independent of that.


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    If you were well read here you'd know why I am one of the last at whom you should direct that criticism.

    (so stop jerking off on my picture)
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    oh no! I was made the object of an ownage funny!

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    Just to make this more challenging for you, here is random collage of non-mannequin shots...all featuring components used in mannequin poses. Does your thesis seem strong if you look at the clothes when one is actually living in them?

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    Among widely known examples, do you think that Luciano Barbera and Luca Rubinacci are bad ones?
    Yes the Luca Rubinacci counter-example you used is a terrible one. He is anything but attempting careless elegance. He is on the contrary doing his best to dandify the classic style that his father promotes. He is all about adding popping colours and splashy details, certainly not a good picture to illustrate what you wanted: i.e. that a non-geriatric fellow cannot pull the careless look.
     


  6. voxsartoria

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    This is my preference, as I live in the modern country.

    But there is more to it than that. Remember the commentary about Il Vecchio's clothing and why he was comfortable in his clothes? They were old friends, he knew them well, chose them carefully, and he had worn them for awhile. In his case, a decade or two.


    I bet that he looked even better when the clothes were new and in their closest fit.

    Again, we will all look that way in our seventies, if by "that way" we mean that our old clothes will fit more loosely. And we are not going to give a shit...our first thoughts each morning will be, "F*ck...I can't believe that I am still alive."


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  7. voxsartoria

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    Yes the Luca Rubinacci counter-example you used is a terrible one. He is anything but attempting careless elegance. He is on the contrary doing his best to dandify the classic style that his father promotes. He is all about adding popping colours and splashy details, certainly not a good picture to illustrate what you wanted: i.e. that a non-geriatric fellow cannot pull the careless look.

    Then, I have erred in not being more clear. I am not saying that a non-geriatric fellow cannot pull off the "careless look." I am saying that (1) if you are not already intrinsically non-chalant, it is nearly impossible to look that way through contrivance (e.g., L. Rubinacci) and (2) many of our iconic images of non-chalant men in tailored clothes are of old men in old clothes that no longer fit as new (e.g., today's L. Barbera.)

    If you don't think that wearing a sweater vest with all buttons undone except one is not meant to evoke a worn in look, then you're kidding yourself.

    BTW, here is Rubinacci père in the same type of getup:

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    Which of the two look better? BTW, according to a conversation that I think iammatt relayed about the elder Rubinacci, many of the items that he wears are rather old. I think it is fair to say that he is at an age where weight, musculature, and posture change for many men. He might look more rumpled, more "lived in" simply from that.

    I wear much older stuff than most people on this forvm. I wear pants from pre-college days in the 1970s. I wear accessories bought in the early 1980s in college. And even in the past week, I have worn a suit made for me fourteen years ago. Here it is:

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    I would guess most would say that this suit doesn't look "lived in" or fourteen years old. And yet both are true. But, it is (1) made well and from good components, (2) it has been maintained correctly, pressed, keeping its shape despite being flannel, and (3) is on a frame that has not changed weight, posture, or general body measurements in the intervening time.

    If I lost ten pounds, starting to have a droopy posture, and stopped having the trousers pressed: instant lived in look.


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    Nice try Mr Vox but this picture is not you. It is Mr Bush Jr.
     


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    I didn't know you were gay

    It's a prison improvisation.

    I hope to be out in two years unless I have to shank someone again.


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    I love how Vox always feels like he has to defend himself by posting various photos in an attempt to prove he's right. It is always hilarious.
     


  11. edmorel

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    I love how Vox always feels like he has to defend himself by posting various photos in an attempt to prove he's right. It is always hilarious.

    almost as hilarious as when you post your pics.
     


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    oh no! I was made the object of an ownage funny!

    Th@'s pwnage j00 6awk p(_)(_)p3t.
     


  13. Mr. Moo

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    almost as hilarious as when you post your pics.

    You are far too predictable, old man. I knew you would post this. You or trannyboy.
     


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    almost as hilarious as when you post your pics.

    Almost... almost
     


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    edmorel Quality Seller!! Dubiously Honored

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    You are far too predictable, old man. I knew you would post this. You or trannyboy.

    Had no idea you were an idiot savant.
     


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