Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Manton, Aug 1, 2012.
+2, ill just tell myself its cuz it was friday night. otherwise im sure i would have been invited.
hey, I roasted pork on tisha be'av, I would have gone on friday night.
not sure how to reply to that exactly.
Hey, someone has to maintain standards in the concert hall.
On the matter of a black-tie rig, in most social circles--at least those I move it--it just doesn't come up here in SoCal. Curiously, the men in the two households just south of my abode both own tuxedoes, although neither is the clotheshorse that I am. One goes to civic banquets occasionally, the other told me he hasn't worn his in years. Except for awards ceremonies like the Oscars, the occasion to wear them just doesn't seem to arise. Anent the Oscars and such, it's a sad commentary that virtually all the attendees could afford the most elegant of tailored black-tie rigs, but so many of them are way under par, as is often noted on this forum. Probably the practice of receiving complimentary duds from sundry designers has much to do with this sorry state.
If I got a tux, I'd want it to be a good one. I can't justify spending $2K or so with Chan or somebody in order to have one "just in case" we ever got a black-tie invitation.
The idea of a "black-tie" wedding (with all male guests in black tie) in these parts would be risible. It would probably be hard enough to get all the invitees to come in neckties!
As to the matter of loafers, I see them as neither here nor there. I don't consider them particularly the mark of a well dressed gentlemen, neither are classic loafers subpar in the sense that some square-toed abomination with thick rubber soles would be. They're just okay, somewhat dressy footwear that I don't particularly happen to care for--they all seem to slip on my feet!
In my area of western Canada, we have a few Black Tie-appropriate events every year, plus one event per year that's actually called a "Black Tie Dinner". Everybody under 40 (-ish) is in a suit. Mostly black, although this year there was one shiny silver suit with a turquoise shirt and a white tie, and several similar "looks". Most of the over-40 crowd are in an odd jacket, with only a sprinkling of ties throughout.
I have my Black Tie Rig from my (evening) wedding three years ago, and haven't worn it since.
I have to second the frustration about the lack of black tie events. I know a number of people with at least vague approximations of black tie rigs but it is like pulling teeth to get anyone to wear them. I think I have been to one private black tie event in the last three years. What I really don't get is that I actually prefer to wear black tie because it is easier. "Black tie" on the invite means no tedious, endless speculation on what you are supposed to wear to the event.
And you hardly ever seen anyone in restaurants wearing black tie. It ought to be the easiest thing in the world for a bunch of friends to throw on their DJs and go out to dinner. But I can't quite bring myself to be the only DJ in a restaurant where typically, many of the patrons are barely wearing shoes. I have been toying with the idea of finding out when and wear the local Chaine des Rotisseurs is meeting and just, coincidentally, showing up at the same restaurant.
We have a ball season here, which is not nearly as lewd as it sounds. The largest and most glamorous are in Vienna (such as the Wiener Opernball and the Kaiserball). We have several here ranging from very elegant to hunter's ball, where traditional dress is needed.
I may take my wife to something, though we're not important enough for the bigger balls
I'm fortunate to play violin in an amateur orchestra (and may also play with another one this year), so have an opportunity to wear my dinner suit 5 or more times/year.
I've also been to a black-tie wedding in the past year or so and I wear it to a James Bond-themed party every year.
I think if you look for occasions, you can find them. Also, when you already have one in your possession, that sometimes accounts for more invitations to such affairs.
This. I suspect there is a vanishingly small segment of the old guard where it still happens, but their time is passing.
To be clear, I could purchase tickets to black tie events (mostly charitable), but I do not equate that with being invited to a black tie event, if you understand the difference.
My haircut would fit in, if nothing else.
Oh, I get invited to lots of events where those would pass muster, but I do not have one. Nor do I own a Kenora Dinner Jacket (lumberjack shirt) ...
These would be white tie, though, no?
Quite possibly. I've never attended one, so I never really researched them. I'll have to dig up some photos, though I know they air at least one of them on TV. The Life Ball has become huge and it is really interesting. It's to benefit AIDS research and tickets sell out incredibly fast. Tickets are available in a couple of categories, I believe the most popular being costume. The costumes are really outrageous.
I really don't. I had a DB Huntsman, but it was never right on me and I sold it. I like the way I look in one, and I wouldn't have a problem owning one - the right one just hasn't shown its face yet.
Half right, as to me.
Took a while to get to the punch line ("loafers...slip on"), but well worth it.
✓ a blue odd jacket. If you live in a two-season climate, then two, one for warmth and one for the cold
✓ mid gray flannel pants
✓ decent, non-chino khakis
✓ at least one funky (but tasteful!) non-blue tweed jacket
✓ a mid to dark gray worsted single-breasted suit
✓ a navy worsted single breasted suit
✓ a white FC shirt
✓ several blue BC shirts, at least one BD
✓ black stitch caps
✓ some tasteful brown oxfords (exact configuration up to you)
✓ Loafers in medium brown calf, suede or shell or else burg shell
✓ a solid black tie, knit or grenadine
✓a solid navy tie, knit or grenadine
✓ a plain white linen hanky
For the "more advanced" players:
x at least one DB suit, navy worsted or medium gray flannel (the best dressers will have both)
x at least one linen suit
✓ at least one pair of brown suede shoes
✓ at least one formal tie, e.g., a B&W shepherd's check
✓ at least one wool or cashmere tie
x at least one linen or linen blend tie
x A complete, well-fitting, correct black tie rig, including shoes
✓ An overcoat in navy, charcoal or camel
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