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Ideas for a DB Vest for Black Tie?

TimelesStyle

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Out of curiosity, then, why do the vast majority of formal shirts and stud sets sold today consider four the magic number? I know, I know, there are many other abominations plaguing the majority of today's formal attire, but even the most conservative makers seem to be offering this.

And why the aversion, if the bottom two or three are covered by the waist covering anyhow?
 

Eustace Tilley

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The fourth is meant as a spare.

As to the aversion, its mainly tradition but you'll also find that having the lower-placed holes festooned with buttons will be more comfortable, as that part of the shirt presses against the waistcoat / cummerbund.
 
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Timeless, gamely fighting on, despite the fact that everything he has posted in this thread has either been wrong or in questionable taste :)
 

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Timeless, gamely fighting on, despite the fact that everything he has posted in this thread has either been wrong or in questionable taste :)


Well, taste is personal and I hardly think I'm that far off on most of these items (aside from those on which I'm simply asking a question on an issue I don't really know about, i.e. number of studs).
 

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The fourth is meant as a spare.

As to the aversion, its mainly tradition but you'll also find that having the lower-placed holes festooned with buttons will be more comfortable, as that part of the shirt presses against the waistcoat / cummerbund.


That makes sense, unfortunately it seems as though the shirt makers didn't get the memo, as they continue to offer shirts with four stud holes. However, even knowing this I'd still probably opt for four; I wear even my tux trousers on my hip and risk a button poking out above my cummerbund.
 

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Well, taste is personal and I hardly think I'm that far off on most of these items...


I'm not sure that you believe what you say.

If you really believed that taste was merely personal, you would not offer an opinion on what others might do. All taste would be equal. There would be no good taste; nor would there be bad.

There is no reason to be active in a communal forum of opinion and discussion concerning clothes if taste was only personal.

My opinion is that taste is always related to the social, no matter where it falls on the spectrum from being consonant or in opposition to convention, tradition, and the reactions or expectations of others.

You're quite right that you are not "far off" on the topics in this thread. But, over the cliff is over the cliff, whether it is an inch or a mile.

Is it really a big deal? Not really, not these days.
 

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I'm not sure that you believe what you say.
If you really believed that taste was merely personal, you would not offer an opinion on what others might do. All taste would be equal. There would be no good taste; nor would there be bad.
There is no reason to be active in a communal forum of opinion and discussion concerning clothes if taste was only personal.
My opinion is that taste is always related to the social, no matter where it falls on the spectrum from being consonant or in opposition to convention, tradition, and the reactions or expectations of others.
You're quite right that you are not "far off" on the topics in this thread. But, over the cliff is over the cliff, whether it is an inch or a mile.
Is it really a big deal? Not really, not these days.


You're ABSOLUTELY right that there is good taste and bad, though but take for example my like of the Phineas Cole tux from PS: it may not be your style but I'd question one who says "it's bad taste" since on its face its details are correct but its aesthetic is such that some may like it and others may not; it's quite distinctive and few will likely be neutral on it. Now, contrast that to this offering from the same line:

http://www.paulstuart.com/product_i...35&MainCatId=14&HEADERMENUID=1&SUBPRODCATID=0

This garment, IMO, is in bad taste since there's barely a resemblance between that and traditional formal attire (particularly since a tux isn't typically worn with a moose knuckle).

Regarding far off vs. not far off, I'm arrogant enough to count myself in the "I know the rules and therefore know where I do and do not feel a desire to amend them according to my own judgement" group. For example, I wear my tux trousers a bit lower, prefer flat-front trousers and am not a fan of pumps or patent. However I have a SB, PL, white Marcella double cuff shirt, white braces and a plain black satin bow and when it comes to the final details I prefer to deviate from strict traditions.
 

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As I mentioned earlier, it's not a big deal. There is certainly a wide variety of habit among guys who wear black tie today (as there was in the past.)
 

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hello my name is justin.
I have been looking for this vest for over a year. please someone tell me where or how can I purchase this vest. i NEED IT ASAP
 

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